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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <qdekev400h6qfn32uqrlj070opgeeebtcp@4ax.com>,
fan <fan@fan.com> wrote:
| Quote: | A couple that come to mind are "Lady Madonna" and "Get Back". Billy
Preston played on "Get Back". Who played the "Lady Madonna" piano
part?
What other Beatle recordings have excellent piano parts?
Thanks in advance...
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Paul played "Lady Madonna" - it's actually quite an easy part, I
discovered - it always sounded so sophisticated, but if *I* can play it,
it's easy...<g>
The solo on "Lovely Rita" is pretty amazing. Is that GM or Paul?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <bchpd0$68s$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,
"Stephen Bruun" <YOURbruun@OWNstarpowerEYES.net> wrote:
| Quote: | fan <fan@fan.com> wrote in message
news:<qdekev400h6qfn32uqrlj070opgeeebtcp@4ax.com>...
Who played the "Lady Madonna" piano part?
voice from the past <timagine@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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George Martin.
According to Mark Lewisohn, Paul played piano on "Lady Madonna."
"Sessions," p. 132. The first phase of the recording (which can be
confirmed from extant session documents and review of the multi-track
session tape) consisted solely of piano and drums. George Martin's keyboard
parts were generally overdubbed onto otherwise completed takes (viz "In My
Life"). The Beatles wouldn't have made GM lay down the basic track. In
contrast, when Paul recorded his solo demo of "Come and Get It," he started
with the piano track and overdubbed from there. So it would appear far more
likely that Paul, and not George Martin, played the piano part to "Lady
Madonna."
Interestingly, the intro to that song borrowed heavily from a 1956 Humphrey
Lyttleton Band recording called "Bad Penny Blues." That's interesting
because that recording was produced by George Martin. (Although I don't
believe that link is powerful evidence that George played piano on both
tracks, or either one.)
George Martin played many of the keyboard parts on early Beatles songs, but
by the late 1960s John and (especially) Paul were proficient enough to play
piano, organ, etc. themselves - the exceptions being Billy Preston's session
work (because they needed live keyboards for the live Get Back sessions,
without losing a guitarist or bassist) and Nicky Hopkins' solo on
"Revolution," which was a little more complex than what the Fabs were
capable of playing at the time. (Hopkins, of course, worked with a Who's
Who of British rock bands, including the Rolling Stones and the Who.)
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That would have been George Martin on the basic track of "Long Tall
Sally" though, right?
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Danny Caccavo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <bcfcp5$3gd$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,
"Stephen Bruun" <YOURbruun@OWNstarpowerEYES.net> wrote:
| Quote: | fan <fan@fan.com> wrote in message
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What other Beatle recordings have excellent piano parts?
Very understated, but I've always liked the piano part to "Cry Baby Cry."
Also the intro to "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."
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Agreed.
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Danny Caccavo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <bct0ui$rss@library1.airnews.net>,
"Tom Shaw" <a0005868@airmail.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I am not trying to hide my prejudice. No self respecting jazz player or
classical player I ever heard of would resort to that crap. Les Paul, who
might have been sorely tempted, never did it. It is cheating...like the
corked bat. And you are right, Beatles fans, could care less what they were
doing technically.
TS
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Les Paul never did it, yeah, right....,g |
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Danny Caccavo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <3ef26520.1774449@news.supernews.com>,
ian@hammo.com (paramucho) wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:58:42 GMT, fan <fan@fan.com> wrote:
A couple that come to mind are "Lady Madonna" and "Get Back". Billy
Preston played on "Get Back". Who played the "Lady Madonna" piano
part?
What other Beatle recordings have excellent piano parts?
Thanks in advance...
I did two huge articles on the BEATLES UNPLUCKED which goes through
all their keyboard stuff in rather tedious detail. It's in google in
rec.music.beatles.moderated.
"Hey Jude", "Lady Madonna" and "Lovely Rita" are great Paul examples.
"I Am The Walrus" (mellotron), "Baby You're A Rich Man" (clavoline and
piano) and "Hey Bulldog" are three of John's best. "What's The New
Mary Jane" is a keyboard orgy of pianos and piano accordion.
"Only A Northern Song", "It's All Too Much" and the unreleased
"Circles" are three good tracks from George. His Moog work on ABBEY
ROAD was outstanding.
Really good early tracks include Paul's piano on "Little Child" and
his wild part on the unreleased "Leave My Kitten Alone". John's
e-piano on "The Night Before" and harmonium on "We Can Work It Out"
broke new ground.
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Ian
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Agreed on all performances, except that there's no mellotron on
"Walrus". That's the Hohner Pianet with heavy tape flange.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:37:59 -0700, Danny Caccavo
<dcaccavo@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <3ef26520.1774449@news.supernews.com>,
ian@hammo.com (paramucho) wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:58:42 GMT, fan <fan@fan.com> wrote:
A couple that come to mind are "Lady Madonna" and "Get Back". Billy
Preston played on "Get Back". Who played the "Lady Madonna" piano
part?
What other Beatle recordings have excellent piano parts?
Thanks in advance...
I did two huge articles on the BEATLES UNPLUCKED which goes through
all their keyboard stuff in rather tedious detail. It's in google in
rec.music.beatles.moderated.
"Hey Jude", "Lady Madonna" and "Lovely Rita" are great Paul examples.
"I Am The Walrus" (mellotron), "Baby You're A Rich Man" (clavoline and
piano) and "Hey Bulldog" are three of John's best. "What's The New
Mary Jane" is a keyboard orgy of pianos and piano accordion.
"Only A Northern Song", "It's All Too Much" and the unreleased
"Circles" are three good tracks from George. His Moog work on ABBEY
ROAD was outstanding.
Really good early tracks include Paul's piano on "Little Child" and
his wild part on the unreleased "Leave My Kitten Alone". John's
e-piano on "The Night Before" and harmonium on "We Can Work It Out"
broke new ground.
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Ian
Impressive If Haughty - Q Magazine
Agreed on all performances, except that there's no mellotron on
"Walrus". That's the Hohner Pianet with heavy tape flange.
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Yuk -- that was a typo for the main "Walrus" part. BTW: Walt
Everett heard an outtake of "Sgt Pepper's Lonely..." with Lennon
playing a Walrus-style Pianet part.
There's still a debate about whether there's a brief appearance of
mellotron in the "I'm Crying" section of Walrus. The interesting thing
is that the COMPLETE BEATLES SCORES mark the passage as mellotron, and
they'd be going by their ears alone. Someone else has suggested that
melltron was used for the little melodic lick at the very end of
"Here, There & Everywhere".
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <qKrGa.7897$Il4.1088566@twister.austin.rr.com>,
"microknee finger" <surchud@SPAMMYSHAMMYhotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "fan" wrote...
A couple that come to mind are "Lady Madonna" and "Get Back". Billy
Preston played on "Get Back". Who played the "Lady Madonna" piano
part?
Paul played piano on Lady Madonna. One of his most impressive piano bits...
one of these days I'm going to figure out how to play that!
~ Chad
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It's surprisingly easy. Octaves in left hand, mostly thumb and pinky in
right hand. DON'T use the sheet music!!
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Danny Caccavo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <bct729$676@library1.airnews.net>,
"Tom Shaw" <a0005868@airmail.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It is not cheating to do it but it is cheating to do it so as to fool the
listener into thinking that the performer has more ability, in this case
speed, than he really has. Of course maybe the average 12 year old Beatles
fan was not interested in flashy instrumental effects. But the critics were.
TS
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My reaction as a listener when I was young was that I wondered if it was
a piano or a harpsichord....a new sound was added because GM slowed the
tape down. If GM had hired a pianist who could have done it in real
time, then we wouldn't have that cool sound.
I don't think anyone went, "Wow, can you believe how fast he played?"
*You* are missing the point.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In article <3ef164af.1661489@news.supernews.com>,
ian@hammo.com (paramucho) wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:03:39 -0500, Dale Houstman <dmh7@citilink.com
wrote:
fan wrote:
A couple that come to mind are "Lady Madonna" and "Get Back". Billy
Preston played on "Get Back". Who played the "Lady Madonna" piano
part?
What other Beatle recordings have excellent piano parts?
Thanks in advance...
I've always liked that "rambling" piano part at the end of "Magical
Mystery Tour"
I redid that for a midi orchestral thing I did. It's a fascinating
section -- overdubbed mellotron.
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Ian
Impressive If Haughty - Q Magazine
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The bit at the end of MMT isn't mellotron - it's the piano sent through
the same ADT as the background vocals were sent through - it's a
"partial" ADT - *only* the warble, none of the original.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In rec.music.makers.piano Stephen X. Carter <steve@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
: Indeed - that's why I wrote the bit about "as precise as the
: producer/engineer wants it". The poster to whom I was
: responding (schultr@mail.biu.ack.il) seemed to think that
: there was some sort of macrosopic error introduced due to
: the differing mains frequency in the USA.
No, the original poster seems to recall having read in Lewisohn's book
that the Beatles did it *on purpose* so that they could record the
music at a somewhat slower (and presumably more accurate) tempo than
the eventual playback. Since it's been more than a decade since I read
the book, I could easily be conflating two different passages.
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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In rec.music.makers.piano Stephen Bruun <YOURbruun@ownstarpowereyes.net> wrote:
: But if you like the album, why the hell does the exact identity
: of the singers matter?
That's like the old episode of "Rumpole of the Bailey" in which his client
is accused of forging a painting by a famous painter. He asks the putative
victim of the fraud whether the painting is any less beautiful if his
client painted it, and concludes by asking if the victim is a collector
of art or of autographs.
OTOH, wasn't this sort of fakery one of the reasons that Michael Nesmith
refused to join any Monkees reunion tours? And does admitting that I
know who the (hey, hey, we're the) Monkees were make me a real old timer,
or just lacking in taste?
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: PUAL MCRATNEY IS THE BEST |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 05:03:59 -0700, "shmoner1" <shmoner1@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Maybe he's a "Fukcin Idoit", in his jargon.
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PLEEZ RITE SUM MOR OF DAT SHIT. SHO US AL HOW SMARTT YU ARE.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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"Stephen Bruun" <YOURbruun@OWNstarpowerEYES.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Al Stevens <nobody@home.com> wrote in message
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Is anyone thinking, "The Monkees?"
When Peter Tork showed up for the first Monkees recording session, he
brought his own guitar and was basically laughed at. When Mike Nesmith
looked at the sleeve of the first Monkees album and saw that they were
credited as the musicians, he was furious, and he was the first band
member
to spill the beans about session musicians. [snip]
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You sure know a lot about the Monkees. I kind of remember the TV show, four
British guys running and jumping around a lot and telling jokes, but do I
remember there was a controversy because a bass-player friend of mine was
one of those session musicians and I heard about it from him. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Beatle recordings: Which had the best piano parts?? |
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Danny Caccavo <dcaccavo@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | That would have been George Martin on the basic track of "Long Tall
Sally" though, right?
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Yes indeed! Recorded in one take with George Martin on piano. Most of the
Beatles' keyboard parts in 1963 and early 1964 were played by George Martin.
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