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Chuck
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 Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
Wow, although I had thought about getting a new board this year, now I
am thinking, maybe not! I know the cost of Carbon has gone up as have
shipping costs etc. but $1950 for a board under 70 liters??? And why
do we pay the same price for a little 68- 75 liter board that takes a
lot less material to make, than its 120-130 liter big brother?
Granted we all know windsurfing has never really been an
inexpensive sport once you really get into it, and lots of us end up
getting some sort of discount off the MSRP, but still the 2009 prices
seem substantially higher. How many can afford that especially
considering the present state of the U.S. and world economy and the
impact on our wallets? Its the same story on the price of 2009 SUP's
which I was also thinking about. I may just look for a closeout 2008
board now or forget about it all together and stick with my older
boards. So I have to wonder how many others out there may hold off on
buying new in 2009?
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Craig Goudie
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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It does seem like a lot, but they get to set their prices, and you
get to vote with your wallet.
That's our system, and it works reasonably well.
I have a suggestion though. I had a polyester Gorge board (~80 ltrs)
with a planform (and my own custom
graphics) made to my specs about 5 seasons ago. It cost me about $700
($800 with skeg and straps).
It's still running strong, and I still like it better than a newer
ride. It's only downside, it doesn't weigh
11 lbs (it weighs 17.5 lbs). It looks like Gary Swanson's price is
now $1095 with straps and pads.
The question is, can you stand the lowtechiness of polyester, and do
you know what shape you really wanna ride? ;*)
-Craig
p.s. I bet he'd make ya a 13 lb ride in epoxy if you asked for about
$1295
On Nov 3, 1:16 pm, Chuck <wind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
Wow, although I had thought about getting a new board this year, now I
am thinking, maybe not! I know the cost of Carbon has gone up as have
shipping costs etc. but $1950 for a board under 70 liters??? And why
do we pay the same price for a little 68- 75 liter board that takes a
lot less material to make, than its 120-130 liter big brother?
Granted we all know windsurfing has never really been an
inexpensive sport once you really get into it, and lots of us end up
getting some sort of discount off the MSRP, but still the 2009 prices
seem substantially higher. How many can afford that especially
considering the present state of the U.S. and world economy and the
impact on our wallets? Its the same story on the price of 2009 SUP's
which I was also thinking about. I may just look for a closeout 2008
board now or forget about it all together and stick with my older
boards. So I have to wonder how many others out there may hold off on
buying new in 2009?
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Charles Jutkins
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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Some of the Boards are running over 2000 now .
Windsurfing Direct and Windspirit have some deals on closeouts.
This has certainly made me more cautious when deciding where to spend my
money but it not just Windsurfing . Even though the cost of gas is
temporarily down
food and most everything but electronics , cars and housing isn't .
My bigger worry in the future is being able to get to the windsurfing sites
and the being
able to eat.
"Chuck" <windnc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
Wow, although I had thought about getting a new board this year, now I
am thinking, maybe not! I know the cost of Carbon has gone up as have
shipping costs etc. but $1950 for a board under 70 liters??? And why
do we pay the same price for a little 68- 75 liter board that takes a
lot less material to make, than its 120-130 liter big brother?
Granted we all know windsurfing has never really been an
inexpensive sport once you really get into it, and lots of us end up
getting some sort of discount off the MSRP, but still the 2009 prices
seem substantially higher. How many can afford that especially
considering the present state of the U.S. and world economy and the
impact on our wallets? Its the same story on the price of 2009 SUP's
which I was also thinking about. I may just look for a closeout 2008
board now or forget about it all together and stick with my older
boards. So I have to wonder how many others out there may hold off on
buying new in 2009?
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(PeteCresswell)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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Per Charles Jutkins:
| Quote: | My bigger worry in the future is being able to get to the windsurfing sites
and the being
able to eat.
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You are not alone.
Once the inflation from the current round of fiscal
irresponsibility kicks in I figure my dinky little pension won't
even buy groceries - much pay the taxes on our house.
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Charles Jutkins
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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If you want read some scary stuff about the future go to Euro Pacific
Capital : Because there's a bull market somewhere. Peter Schiff seems
to have it more right than most.
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| Quote: | Per Charles Jutkins:
My bigger worry in the future is being able to get to the windsurfing
sites
and the being
able to eat.
You are not alone.
Once the inflation from the current round of fiscal
irresponsibility kicks in I figure my dinky little pension won't
even buy groceries - much pay the taxes on our house.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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On Nov 3, 12:55 pm, Craig Goudie <ccgou...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It does seem like a lot, but they get to set their prices, and you
get to vote with your wallet.
That's our system, and it works reasonably well.
I have a suggestion though. I had a polyester Gorge board (~80 ltrs)
with a planform (and my own custom
graphics) made to my specs about 5 seasons ago. It cost me about $700
($800 with skeg and straps).
It's still running strong, and I still like it better than a newer
ride. It's only downside, it doesn't weigh
11 lbs (it weighs 17.5 lbs). It looks like Gary Swanson's price is
now $1095 with straps and pads.
The question is, can you stand the lowtechiness of polyester, and do
you know what shape you really wanna ride? ;*)
-Craig
p.s. I bet he'd make ya a 13 lb ride in epoxy if you asked for about
$1295
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And it would likely be going strong long after the spendy 11 pounder
was falling apart. I still find it odd that when production makers
escalated their costs well above many custom shops, they didn't lose
the market entirely. I wonder if European demand focuses on the
production offerings and has a need for local shapers? |
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AD.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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On Nov 4, 9:16 am, Chuck <wind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
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Welcome to the prices we've been paying here (New Zealand) for years
now - even when the NZ dollar was at an all time high against the US
dollar. Now that our dollar is dropping substantially, the prices are
going to go up even quicker too (I haven't looked).
2009 mountain bike prices have jumped noticeably. I don't think I want
to go near a windsurfing shop for a while - hopefully I don't break
anything this summer :)
Ahhh... the joys of living in a small remote market. Luckily I'm still
very happy with my 2005 era gear.
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Charles Jutkins
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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Looks like you should get them cheaper because your nearer the Cobra
factory.
"AD." <anton.list@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 9:16 am, Chuck <wind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
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Welcome to the prices we've been paying here (New Zealand) for years
now - even when the NZ dollar was at an all time high against the US
dollar. Now that our dollar is dropping substantially, the prices are
going to go up even quicker too (I haven't looked).
2009 mountain bike prices have jumped noticeably. I don't think I want
to go near a windsurfing shop for a while - hopefully I don't break
anything this summer :)
Ahhh... the joys of living in a small remote market. Luckily I'm still
very happy with my 2005 era gear.
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Cheers
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AD.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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On Nov 5, 12:46 pm, "Charles Jutkins" <ct...@surfnetusa.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Looks like you should get them cheaper because your nearer the Cobra
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You'd think so, but it seems costs are more driven by economies of
scale than a bit of extra distance.
Oh well, c'est la vie
Other things make up for it :)
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Dan Weiss
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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On Nov 4, 6:46 pm, "Charles Jutkins" <ct...@surfnetusa.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Looks like you should get them cheaper because your nearer the Cobra
factory.
"AD." <anton.l...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 9:16 am, Chuck <wind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
Welcome to the prices we've been paying here (New Zealand) for years
now - even when the NZ dollar was at an all time high against the US
dollar. Now that our dollar is dropping substantially, the prices are
going to go up even quicker too (I haven't looked).
2009 mountain bike prices have jumped noticeably. I don't think I want
to go near a windsurfing shop for a while - hopefully I don't break
anything this summer :)
Ahhh... the joys of living in a small remote market. Luckily I'm still
very happy with my 2005 era gear.
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Cheers
Anton
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Anton: Have you checked out the C3s made in your homeland? They have
a growing following in the States.
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Craig Goudie
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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Yeh, like living in one of the worlds premiere places to windsurf.
It's snowing here as I write this, but I hope to make it to New Z some
day.
It's literally the farthest distance I could travel on this planet to
windsurf.
-Craig
On Nov 5, 1:31 am, "AD." <anton.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 5, 12:46 pm, "Charles Jutkins" <ct...@surfnetusa.com> wrote:
You'd think so, but it seems costs are more driven by economies of
scale than a bit of extra distance.
Oh well, c'est la vie
Other things make up for it :)
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Cheers
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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On Nov 6, 1:57 am, Dan Weiss <dwus...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Anton: Have you checked out the C3s made in your homeland? They have
a growing following in the States.
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I've never used them, but they have a very good reputation - much
better quality fins than what I tend to use :)
Boogie was hand making them for a while in Wellington (very exclusive
back then), then he shifted to Auckland for a while. Last I heard, he
was back in Wellington and had finally found someone he trusted enough
to manufacture his designs in higher numbers.
The way our dollar has dropped recently, it would be a good time for
Americans to snap some up hehe.
Some idle trivia: the photos of Boogie and Dave here...
http://www.c3-fins.com/C3_web/gallery.html
.... were taken at the exact same river mouth I learnt to windsurf on
as a teenager in the mid 80s. That was before I was old enough for a
drivers license to get to other spots with more reliable wind :)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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On Nov 6, 6:38 am, Craig Goudie <ccgou...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Yeh, like living in one of the worlds premiere places to windsurf.
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Wellington wouldn't be premiere compared to tropical destinations like
Maui, but would be premiere compared to other "real world" places
where people live and have proper jobs / responsibilities etc, while
the other 99.9% of the population bitches about the wind :)
Think of a much smaller version of San Francisco (yes even some
earthquakes too) with more hills and more wind.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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About buying brand new and all that: it's a choice for most sailors.
Regardless of price, I'd buy only if need be, i.e. break one of the
current gear (which is 3yo, going 4).
Firstly, I like to fart around and freestyle, and I'd rather have the
same feel if I can keep it. Takes weeks to get used to a new piece of
equipment with the same moves.
As to speed, planing, and buying a board that's 0.3 pounds lighter
this year and a rig that will allow me to plane .25 knots earlier, I
say: big effing deal. It's all marketing hype, and they're shoving
unneeded equipment down your throat. Stick with the gear.
Just look at what all the top pros were doing 5 and 10 and 15 and 20
years ago on old boards. Surely we must concentrate on skills and
plain fun, rather than the Tupperware side of sport.
Having said that, I buy brand new again as soon as the current piece
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Buying a Board in 2009? Maybe not! |
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FWIW, I was looking for a standup in the local Naish shop a few months
back( pre 08/10). They said, at that time, the 09 boards would be
more expensive because the price was set in Euros. I would have
guessed dollars or maybe baht.
I wonder how long it will take for the drop in the euro since 8/10 and
the expected drop in price of petroleum based raw materials to result
in significantly lower prices. Maybe late next year? I don't know
enough about the economics of this biz to say. Sounds like a tough
time to be in retail. Boards are overpriced based on what will be
available in the not to distant future, and everyone is feeling
nervous about discretionary spending.
I've been dreaming about buying a small trimaran for a while. The
exchange rate makes these boats very expensive. Wait and see. Maybe
not! Interesting that I can have a boat made and sent to me from asia
or NZ, but I can't get a board sent directly to me from the factory.
bs
On Nov 3, 10:16 am, Chuck <wind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | As the 2009 board manufactures begin to release their new models one
thing seems for certain, the prices have gone even higher! I thought
$1500-$1600.00+ was bad enough on some of the 2008 models but I was
just checking out a 2009 small wave board from a major board
manufacturer and the price listed was $1950.00 for a 68 liter board!
Wow, although I had thought about getting a new board this year, now I
am thinking, maybe not! I know the cost of Carbon has gone up as have
shipping costs etc. but $1950 for a board under 70 liters??? And why
do we pay the same price for a little 68- 75 liter board that takes a
lot less material to make, than its 120-130 liter big brother?
Granted we all know windsurfing has never really been an
inexpensive sport once you really get into it, and lots of us end up
getting some sort of discount off the MSRP, but still the 2009 prices
seem substantially higher. How many can afford that especially
considering the present state of the U.S. and world economy and the
impact on our wallets? Its the same story on the price of 2009 SUP's
which I was also thinking about. I may just look for a closeout 2008
board now or forget about it all together and stick with my older
boards. So I have to wonder how many others out there may hold off on
buying new in 2009?
Chuck |
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