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On Nov 18, 10:55 am, "tar~bal" <b...@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Exactly. Reread the article and get back to me. Unless you think this
behavior is acceptable.
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This seems like a hoax, the type perpetrated to attempt to get the
gullible
many to blame the gay community. There is no evidence or claim to
any
connection. And there is this particularly off sentence:
| Quote: | Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged
its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning gay marriage in
California.
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So if I read this right, gays may have targetted a church which
opposed the
amendment to ban gay marriage in California.
Permit me to say "huh"? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:27:17 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
| Quote: | While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to adhere to their
views, through things like Prop 8, etc. So it is also wrong for people
to try and force their own views of homosexuality on others, by whetever
means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such to be placed
into the curriculum of public schools. And don't tell me that isn't
happening,
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I haven't seen anyone here demand gay sex-ed curriculum, and it wasn't
part of Prop 8, or any other gay marriage bill, referendum, or court
decision about gay marriage. |
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepte |
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In article
<387155d3-d9b5-4571-b45b-5c5303b05de0@m16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
"alsandorz@gmail.com" <alsandorz@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which
encouraged its members to fight the recently passed amendment
banning gay marriage in California.
So if I read this right, gays may have targetted a church which
opposed the amendment to ban gay marriage in California.
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Like most bullies, they whine when someone fights back.
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BaJoRi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <p7JUk.329464$Xn4.301552@fe09.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
You're looking at it all wrong, which is not surprising. One side
(yours) is trying to oppress the other side, and deprive it of
human rights. The other side (mine) is working for liberty and
justice for all.
As long as it is done your way and there are no dissenting opionions.
I don't care how it is done, so long as it is done. But what do you
mean by a dissenting opinion? Do you mean that you don't want liberty
and justice for all?
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Wouldn't mind it at all. I just find it funny that you insist on your own
liberties and justice, at the expense of others. Just like those folk on
which you base your claim of moral superiority.
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BTW, 104 retired generals and admirals have signed a statement that
they believe that "Don't ask, don't tell" should be done away with:
I agree. I would put all the gays on the front line against the
Taliban, tell them that there is a Penney's on the other side of the
hill, and that there is a TREMENDOUS sale on new drapes.
I'm sure that in your warped little so-called mind, you actually believe
that.
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YOU need to get a sense of humor.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/dont.ask.dont.tell/index.htm
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You may have won the recent battle, but you're going to lose the
war. And don't forget that you started the war.
And the stupidity in your stance is that you alienate people that
actually are on your side, but disagree with you tactics.
The only people who are alienated are the bigots like you, who are
already alienated.
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SO you have the whole "with us or against us" stance going, just like Bush.
How does that influence your moral superiority?
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Schools are no place for you to make your point.
Why do you keep dragging schools into this? This is about marriage, not
schools. Unlike you creeps, we don't want to marry children.
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You know EXACTLY what I mean. And it is sad that YOU are the one who is in
need of a course on civil liberties. |
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BaJoRi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <E3JUk.83532$mZ6.80326@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
I agree that someone teling someone else to burn in hell and die is a
little much. However, for every idiot bible-thumper who spouts that
type of nonsense, so we can find a militant gay activist who finds it
very justifiable to do the same thing, while condemning others for
the same act.
I bet you can't.
Whether you like it or not, people have every right to approve or
disapprove of homosexuality.
That's right, they do. They don't have the right to deprive us of our
civil rights, though.
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And the same goes for you, by the way. You seem desperate to forget that for
some reason.
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While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to adhere to
their views, through things like Prop 8, etc.
It is wrong for them to deprive us of our civil rights, like through
things like Prop 8.
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Agreed. But how can you hold to your stand of moral superiority when you use
the EXACT same tactics as those people?
| Quote: | So it is also wrong for people to try and force their own views of
homosexuality on others,
No one is trying to force you to marry someone of your own sex. No one
is trying to force you to believe anything.
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Sure you are. You are trying to force people to accept your beliefs on gay
marriage. And your tactics (using schools, in some cases violence, etc.) can
alienate those who actually are supporting you, causing you a longer overall
battle.
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by whetever means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such
to be placed into the curriculum of public schools.
Why do you want to single out gays? Why aren't you objecting to
religious and racial tolerance being taught in public schools? You're a
hypocrite, that's why.
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Actually, I have brought that up previous, and I am against any social
engineering in schools.
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It really doesn't (and by the way, the thought of Hillary Clinton in
spandex would put most men off sex forever).
No, it would put off only sexually repressed men with fragile egos.
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Try for that sense of humor thing again.
| Quote: | I am all for gay marriage, and equal rights, etc.
Not that we've seen here, liar.
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Because youa re too blinded by anger and hate to understand.
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But I am absolutely appalled at the hypocrisy of people who claim
that it is important for their views to be heard, but would deny that
right to others, when they disagree with them.
Unless it's your view, hypocrite.
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Exactly. You would suppress the views of others, in furtherance of your own
agenda. How is that different from the mormons?
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My personal feeling is that the government doesn't have the
Constitutional authority to permit marriage to ANYONE, let alone gay
or straight. Marriage is a religious observance, and therefore should
be covered under the separation of Church and State.
I knew it. I knew there would be something that you and I agreed about.
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Have the guts to leave in the rest of my post, and the justification of
everything else I have been saying. |
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BaJoRi
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:27:17 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to adhere to their
views, through things like Prop 8, etc. So it is also wrong for people
to try and force their own views of homosexuality on others, by whetever
means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such to be placed
into the curriculum of public schools. And don't tell me that isn't
happening,
I haven't seen anyone here demand gay sex-ed curriculum, and it wasn't
part of Prop 8, or any other gay marriage bill, referendum, or court
decision about gay marriage.
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Interesting how you don't have the intellectual honesty to confront that
whole paragraph, and you had to snip out the portion about me going to a
school board meeting to argue against a gay lifestyle curriculum addition to
my son's grade school. |
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KK
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:56:01 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
| Quote: | "KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
news:nFWUk.34486$Oq2.30380@newsfe08.iad...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:27:17 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to adhere to their
views, through things like Prop 8, etc. So it is also wrong for people
to try and force their own views of homosexuality on others, by
whetever means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such to
be placed into the curriculum of public schools. And don't tell me
that isn't happening,
I haven't seen anyone here demand gay sex-ed curriculum, and it wasn't
part of Prop 8, or any other gay marriage bill, referendum, or court
decision about gay marriage.
Interesting how you don't have the intellectual honesty
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Oh, eat me. I take issue with your equating and connecting gay-sex
school cirriculum with gay marriage. It's the only thing in your post I
addressed, so it's the only thing I included.
What's intellectually dishonest is making graphic sex cirriculum the
logical conclusion (or inseperable side effect) of gay marriage.
| Quote: | to confront that
whole paragraph, and you had to snip out the portion about me going to a
school board meeting to argue against a gay lifestyle curriculum
addition to my son's grade school.
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Because it's irrelevant to the gay marriage issue, unless, as I stated,
your cirriculum issue is part of a bill, referendum, or decision on gay
marriage.
It's not. |
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <x1%Uk.43415$vu.2127@fe12.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Whether you like it or not, people have every right to approve or
disapprove of homosexuality.
That's right, they do. They don't have the right to deprive us of
our civil rights, though.
And the same goes for you, by the way. You seem desperate to forget
that for some reason.
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The difference is that we're not trying to deprive you of any rights.
| Quote: | While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to adhere to
their views, through things like Prop 8, etc.
It is wrong for them to deprive us of our civil rights, like
through things like Prop 8.
Agreed. But how can you hold to your stand of moral superiority when
you use the EXACT same tactics as those people?
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How can you say that we use the same tactics as those people when we
don't do that?
| Quote: | So it is also wrong for people to try and force their own views of
homosexuality on others,
No one is trying to force you to marry someone of your own sex. No
one is trying to force you to believe anything.
Sure you are. You are trying to force people to accept your beliefs
on gay marriage.
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No we're not. I don't give a fuck what you believe about gay marriage,
interracial marriage, inter-religious marriage, etc.
| Quote: | And your tactics (using schools, in some cases violence, etc.)
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I'd ask you to stop repeating that lie, but I know that you won't stop
lying.
| Quote: | But I am absolutely appalled at the hypocrisy of people who claim
that it is important for their views to be heard, but would deny that
right to others, when they disagree with them.
Unless it's your view, hypocrite.
Exactly.
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So you agree that you would deny the right of anyone who disagrees with
you to express their views?
| Quote: | You would suppress the views of others, in furtherance of your own
agenda.
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Liar! We are not trying to suppress anyone's views.
| Quote: | How is that different from the mormons?
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The Mormons are trying to deprive us of the right to marry the person we
love. We're not trying to deprive anyone of any rights.
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <PX_Uk.118613$PO5.110276@fe02.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I don't care how it is done, so long as it is done. But what do
you mean by a dissenting opinion? Do you mean that you don't want
liberty and justice for all?
Wouldn't mind it at all. I just find it funny that you insist on your
own liberties and justice, at the expense of others. Just like those
folk on which you base your claim of moral superiority.
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Can you write anything on this subject without lying? We're not trying
to deprive anyone of liberty and justice.
| Quote: | I agree. I would put all the gays on the front line against the
Taliban, tell them that there is a Penney's on the other side of
the hill, and that there is a TREMENDOUS sale on new drapes.
I'm sure that in your warped little so-called mind, you actually
believe that.
YOU need to get a sense of humor.
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The fact that you think that murder and the deprivation of human rights
is humorous says a lot about you, and none of it is good.
| Quote: | You may have won the recent battle, but you're going to lose the
war. And don't forget that you started the war.
And the stupidity in your stance is that you alienate people that
actually are on your side, but disagree with you tactics.
The only people who are alienated are the bigots like you, who are
already alienated.
SO you have the whole "with us or against us" stance going, just like
Bush. How does that influence your moral superiority?
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No, I don't have the "with us or against us" stance, liar.
| Quote: | Schools are no place for you to make your point.
Why do you keep dragging schools into this? This is about
marriage, not schools. Unlike you creeps, we don't want to marry
children.
You know EXACTLY what I mean. And it is sad that YOU are the one who
is in need of a course on civil liberties.
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Yes, I know exactly what your lies mean.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepte |
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In article
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"alsandorz@gmail.com" <alsandorz@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | This seems like a hoax, the type perpetrated to attempt to get the
gullible
many to blame the gay community. There is no evidence or claim to
any
connection.
And there is this particularly off sentence:
Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged
its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning gay marriage in
California.
So if I read this right, gays may have targetted a church which
opposed the
amendment to ban gay marriage in California.
Permit me to say "huh"?
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It's a little complicated. So complicated that even AP got it wrong,
although I think it was a simple typo kind of thing:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html
Change "fight the" to "fight for the".
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <p7JUk.329464$Xn4.301552@fe09.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
The other side (mine) is working for liberty and justice for all.
As long as it is done your way and there are no dissenting opionions.
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What is the "dissenting opinion" from "liberty and justice for all"?
Liberty and justice for some? Liberty and justice for no one?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <E3JUk.83532$mZ6.80326@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I agree that someone teling someone else to burn in hell and die is a little
much. However, for every idiot bible-thumper who spouts that type of
nonsense, so we can find a militant gay activist who finds it very
justifiable to do the same thing, while condemning others for the same act.
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I call. Name three "militant gay activists" who are telling anyone to
burn in hell and die.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <57OdnX05oYcqVb_UnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm not afraid of homos, they disgust me. There's a difference.
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Not really. You can't have one without the other.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <POudnSuD2IdFYL_UnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
What Would a Jackass Do?
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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| Quote: | In article <Q4ydnXIcZvP7NbzUnZ2dnUVZ_sHinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
dialog on the issues in the gay community. While not all
gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
solidarity with the act.
Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
treat us to another anti-gay rant?
Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted,
'kay?
Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?
Is it your opinion that not one gay person out there could have actually
done this?
That's not what I said. You really need to work on that comprehension
problem.
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I didn't say that was what you said. I asked you about your opinion. You
really need to work on that comprehension problem.
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The point is that at the moment the only person who knows who did it is
the person who did it. Your attempt to link it to gay activists is
nothing more than uninformed speculation.
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Yeah, it could have been someone upset about their view on polygamy. Like a
gay person or some shit. |
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