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In article <v5udnRJjkNQmeL_UnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
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| Quote: | You are one of the last people who should talk about reality; it is
foreign to you.
Yeah right. Tell me how people that don't like gays are gay, how
gays are more moral than heterosexuals, how same sex marriage is the
same as normal marriage.
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Gays are as moral as heterosexuals; sexual orientation has nothing to do
with morality. And same-sex marriage is the same as heterosexual
marriage, except that thus far the divorce rate is much lower than the
straight's 50% divorce rate.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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| Quote: | Well maybe you know horrible married couples or rare gay couples.
Sounds like I know more gay people than you do. And if you have some
statistics to be able to call them "rare" I'd love to see it.
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I doubt that seriously.
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Of course I work in and live near NYC, and attitudes like yours about
gay people are rare and dwindling around here. Maybe that's why
they're not like the ones you describe that you see near where you
live.
Of course NYC is the bastion of the liberal world, so you should keep in
mind that there is a whole world out there that is NOTHING like the big
apple. Maybe the ones down here are treated like the ones in California
and Michigan or wherever that cause them to act out in such
irresponsible ways like sucking dick in the middle of a public street or
interrupting church svcs or throwing toilet paper at the mayor.
I would suggest that I am exposed to more of the ugly underbelly of gays
in S. Florida than you are in NY.
Maybe it's the intolerance that makes the activists you see so in-your-
face.
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc? |
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <c7qdnTHBa_z1e7_UnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
There is a difference between being against us, as you are, and
being ignorant, as most of those voters were.
Do you think for a moment that maybe, JUST MAYBE, those voters may
have known EXACTLY what they were doing?
Yes, I did, and I rejected the notion.
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Delusional. Congratulations.
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You are a malignancy, destroying the fabric of civilization.
LOLOL!!! Yeah, you belong to the contingent that want to force the
concepts of sodomy in a ten year old's classroom,
Wrong; no one wants to do that, you lying mother fucker.
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Well, I posted a link to the contrary, so I guess that makes you wrong, dick
sucker.
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but I'm destroying the fabric of civilization!
That's right, because you're a lying mother fucker, intent on
oppression, repression, and subjugation.
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Where did I lie? And it appears to me that you are bigoted and judgmental.
That really shows a lot of tolerance and acceptance on your behalf. You
should work on that if you expect others to be tolerant and accepting...
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Sorry, pal. I'm the normal one and you're the sicko.
I'm not your pal; I don't allow evil people like you to be my pals.
You're about as normal as the average Klansman or White Supremacist.
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Real nice, pervert. Now you're just being ridiculous. WWJD? |
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <v5udnRJjkNQmeL_UnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
You are one of the last people who should talk about reality; it is
foreign to you.
Yeah right. Tell me how people that don't like gays are gay, how
gays are more moral than heterosexuals, how same sex marriage is the
same as normal marriage.
Gays are as moral as heterosexuals; sexual orientation has nothing to do
with morality. And same-sex marriage is the same as heterosexual
marriage, except that thus far the divorce rate is much lower than the
straight's 50% divorce rate.
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You forgot to address the one that mindless gays always parrot: How if you
don't like gays, you must be gay yourself. Talk about a mental problem.
LOL
And same sex marriage is nothing like normal marriage. It may seem to be
if you are gay, but if you aren't, you know that it's all about playing
house and complaining about something you can't do for the simple reason of
attracting attention to yourself.
As for the divorce rate, the reason that it's 50% is because the same sick
fucks keep getting divorced. It doesn't mean that of every citizen that
holds a marriage certificate, 50% of them will end in divorce. It means
that there are some serial marriers out there skewing the statistic. Oh,
and I find those people to be reprehensible if they have children. Divorce
is such a selfish act to subject a child to... |
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
moral police
Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through gay marriage
(which to a great many people is a moral argument)
Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
another.
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The law books are completely full of crimes based on moral judgment.
Prostitution, gambling, child exploitation, "animal cruelty", I could cite
a million of them. They are not unique in any way. |
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KK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:36:18 -0500, tar~bal wrote:
| Quote: | "KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
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Well maybe you know horrible married couples or rare gay couples.
Sounds like I know more gay people than you do. And if you have some
statistics to be able to call them "rare" I'd love to see it.
I doubt that seriously.
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That I know more gay people than you do? I went to a liberal school with
gay all over the place. While I was there, and for a while after, I
worked in fine dining - 'nuff said. I can't count how many gay guys I
worked with during that time, and I'm still in friendly contact with
more than a few of them.
In each of the four jobs I've had since entering the grown-up world, I've
had at least two gay guys in the departments I've worked in. Some were
out in the open, some were more private about it.
That's not even counting family and friends / friends of friends.
When you hear 'gay' you hear 'street activist / bathroom sex / gay sex ed
in school'. That's not what leaps to mind if you're familiar with
regular gay people.
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Of course I work in and live near NYC, and attitudes like yours about
gay people are rare and dwindling around here. Maybe that's why
they're not like the ones you describe that you see near where you
live.
Of course NYC is the bastion of the liberal world, so you should keep
in mind that there is a whole world out there that is NOTHING like the
big apple. Maybe the ones down here are treated like the ones in
California and Michigan or wherever that cause them to act out in such
irresponsible ways like sucking dick in the middle of a public street
or interrupting church svcs or throwing toilet paper at the mayor. I
would suggest that I am exposed to more of the ugly underbelly of gays
in S. Florida than you are in NY.
Maybe it's the intolerance that makes the activists you see so in-your-
face.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
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How? In-your-face gay activism has lessened in places where it's become
accepted. Do you have some theory that acceptance followed the decrease
in activism, instead of the other way around? If so, what caused the
decrease? |
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <POudnSuD2IdFYL_UnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | LOLOL!!! Yeah, you belong to the contingent that want to force
the concepts of sodomy in a ten year old's classroom,
Wrong; no one wants to do that, you lying mother fucker.
Well, I posted a link to the contrary, so I guess that makes you
wrong,
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No you didn't. You said that's what the link means, but it doesn't.
Watch those insults, asshole. I'm a lesbian, not one of your
cock-sucking bimbos.
| Quote: | That's right, because you're a lying mother fucker, intent on
oppression, repression, and subjugation.
Where did I lie?
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Just about everything you have said about gays.
| Quote: | And it appears to me that you are bigoted and judgmental.
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That's because you can't accept what you really are.
| Quote: | That really shows a lot of tolerance and acceptance on your behalf.
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I tolerate thugs like you the same way that blacks tolerate the Klan.
| Quote: | Sorry, pal. I'm the normal one and you're the sicko.
I'm not your pal; I don't allow evil people like you to be my pals.
You're about as normal as the average Klansman or White
Supremacist.
Real nice, pervert. Now you're just being ridiculous.
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The truth about you hurts, doesn't it?
Nothing that you would do, that's for sure. Christianity is a wonderful
religion; too bad that most Christians today don't practice it.
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <G5OdnTN_trBxY7_UnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Gays are as moral as heterosexuals; sexual orientation has nothing
to do with morality. And same-sex marriage is the same as
heterosexual marriage, except that thus far the divorce rate is
much lower than the straight's 50% divorce rate.
You forgot to address the one that mindless gays always parrot: How
if you don't like gays, you must be gay yourself.
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Actually, we don't say that; we say that some of the more virulent
homophobes may be self-hating closet homosexuals. Note the qualifiers,
you lying mother fucker.
| Quote: | And same sex marriage is nothing like normal marriage.
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Yeah, same-sex marriage is not shotgun marriages caused by pregnancy,
like Bristol Palin's. Same-sex marriage does not have a 50% divorce
rate, like heterosexual marriage. Other than that, though, they're
essentially the same: two people who love each other, and who want to
spend the rest of their lives together. (Yes, even those het marriages
that end in divorce usually start out wanting to spend the rest of their
lives together.)
| Quote: | As for the divorce rate, the reason that it's 50% is because the same
sick fucks keep getting divorced.
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Their numbers are so small that they don't affect the overall percentage
all that much.
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KK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:46:56 -0500, tar~bal wrote:
| Quote: | "KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
news:gYgUk.24535$WR6.7500@newsfe03.iad...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
moral police
Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through gay
marriage (which to a great many people is a moral argument)
Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
another.
The law books are completely full of crimes based on moral judgment.
Prostitution, gambling, child exploitation, "animal cruelty", I could
cite a million of them. They are not unique in any way.
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I didn't say no laws were based on whatever passed for morality at the
time. You accused Bajori of being the same as the "moral police" and of
forcing an agenda on people.
That's silly. Without non-sequitur complaining about what *you* are
worried about (but which has nothing to do with gay marriage other than
some of the people who support one also support the other) you can't tell
us what it is that would be "forced" on people. |
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martin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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Michelle Steiner wrote:
| Quote: | In article <G5OdnTN_trBxY7_UnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
Gays are as moral as heterosexuals; sexual orientation has nothing
to do with morality. And same-sex marriage is the same as
heterosexual marriage, except that thus far the divorce rate is
much lower than the straight's 50% divorce rate.
You forgot to address the one that mindless gays always parrot: How
if you don't like gays, you must be gay yourself.
Actually, we don't say that; we say that some of the more virulent
homophobes may be self-hating closet homosexuals.
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People like Ted Haggard and Larry Craig? |
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:36:18 -0500, tar~bal wrote:
"KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
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Well maybe you know horrible married couples or rare gay couples.
Sounds like I know more gay people than you do. And if you have some
statistics to be able to call them "rare" I'd love to see it.
I doubt that seriously.
That I know more gay people than you do? I went to a liberal school with
gay all over the place. While I was there, and for a while after, I
worked in fine dining - 'nuff said. I can't count how many gay guys I
worked with during that time, and I'm still in friendly contact with
more than a few of them.
In each of the four jobs I've had since entering the grown-up world, I've
had at least two gay guys in the departments I've worked in. Some were
out in the open, some were more private about it.
That's not even counting family and friends / friends of friends.
When you hear 'gay' you hear 'street activist / bathroom sex / gay sex ed
in school'. That's not what leaps to mind if you're familiar with
regular gay people.
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Well maybe you hang around more gay places than I do, but there were a lot
in my college, too, but that was back when I was liberal so I didn't see
anything they did as anything I cared about. But I DO have three gay family
members that are still alive, one that killed himself and one that died of
AIDS (those two on my wife's side of the family). Not that I really care
about going for the gay cred that much, but two of my office employees have
gay kids and I work with two of them directly on one of my current projects.
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Of course I work in and live near NYC, and attitudes like yours about
gay people are rare and dwindling around here. Maybe that's why
they're not like the ones you describe that you see near where you
live.
Of course NYC is the bastion of the liberal world, so you should keep
in mind that there is a whole world out there that is NOTHING like the
big apple. Maybe the ones down here are treated like the ones in
California and Michigan or wherever that cause them to act out in such
irresponsible ways like sucking dick in the middle of a public street
or interrupting church svcs or throwing toilet paper at the mayor. I
would suggest that I am exposed to more of the ugly underbelly of gays
in S. Florida than you are in NY.
Maybe it's the intolerance that makes the activists you see so in-your-
face.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
How? In-your-face gay activism has lessened in places where it's become
accepted. Do you have some theory that acceptance followed the decrease
in activism, instead of the other way around? If so, what caused the
decrease?
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You are telling me something that I don't know to be fact. I mean,
California is supposedly the most accepting place in the world of gays, or
at least until the last election, and they seem to have more protests than
anywhere else in the country right now, so I would say that your claim is
false. |
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <POudnSuD2IdFYL_UnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
LOLOL!!! Yeah, you belong to the contingent that want to force
the concepts of sodomy in a ten year old's classroom,
Wrong; no one wants to do that, you lying mother fucker.
Well, I posted a link to the contrary, so I guess that makes you
wrong,
No you didn't. You said that's what the link means, but it doesn't.
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Because you're too addled to figure out what it means doesn't mean that it
doesn't.
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dick sucker.
Watch those insults, asshole. I'm a lesbian, not one of your
cock-sucking bimbos.
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Whatever. You clearly are one of those self loathing gays that will do
anything to try to make their cause something that others will take notice
of, even at the detriment of children.
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That's right, because you're a lying mother fucker, intent on
oppression, repression, and subjugation.
Where did I lie?
Just about everything you have said about gays.
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So no cite, just a prejudged generalization. Hmm...
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And it appears to me that you are bigoted and judgmental.
That's because you can't accept what you really are.
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Sure I can. I'm happy with the way I am. Are you happy with the way YOU
are? I'd love to meet a lesbian that didn't have a fucking chip on their
shoulder about everything in life. For some reason I have a feeling today
won't be my lucky day, either.
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That really shows a lot of tolerance and acceptance on your behalf.
I tolerate thugs like you the same way that blacks tolerate the Klan.
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Don't be ridiculous, I wouldn't light a cross in front of your house or
string you up or anything like the Klan would do to blacks. I just have an
issue with your terrorist tactics and think they're wrong. And I think that
bringing graphic words describing your sex acts into classrooms full of ten
year olds is reprehensible. Other than that I'm sure you're a nice person
with only a few mental defects...
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Sorry, pal. I'm the normal one and you're the sicko.
I'm not your pal; I don't allow evil people like you to be my pals.
You're about as normal as the average Klansman or White
Supremacist.
Real nice, pervert. Now you're just being ridiculous.
The truth about you hurts, doesn't it?
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What would you know about truth? You aren't even tuned in to NORMAL. LOL
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WWJD?
Nothing that you would do, that's for sure. Christianity is a wonderful
religion; too bad that most Christians today don't practice it.
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Maybe we could shuffle together the gays and the xtians and at the end of
the day, all that would be left is their good traits. Yeah, right. |
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tar~bal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <G5OdnTN_trBxY7_UnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
Gays are as moral as heterosexuals; sexual orientation has nothing
to do with morality. And same-sex marriage is the same as
heterosexual marriage, except that thus far the divorce rate is
much lower than the straight's 50% divorce rate.
You forgot to address the one that mindless gays always parrot: How
if you don't like gays, you must be gay yourself.
Actually, we don't say that; we say that some of the more virulent
homophobes may be self-hating closet homosexuals. Note the qualifiers,
you lying mother fucker.
And same sex marriage is nothing like normal marriage.
Yeah, same-sex marriage is not shotgun marriages caused by pregnancy,
like Bristol Palin's. Same-sex marriage does not have a 50% divorce
rate, like heterosexual marriage. Other than that, though, they're
essentially the same: two people who love each other, and who want to
spend the rest of their lives together. (Yes, even those het marriages
that end in divorce usually start out wanting to spend the rest of their
lives together.)
As for the divorce rate, the reason that it's 50% is because the same
sick fucks keep getting divorced.
Their numbers are so small that they don't affect the overall percentage
all that much.
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Funny how you responded to my comments in the above manner and still have
the nerve to call me a liar.
I have to say that I have really enjoyed this exchange. Are you always
this passionate, or does it only occur about a week out of the month. |
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tar~bal
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"KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:46:56 -0500, tar~bal wrote:
"KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
moral police
Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through gay
marriage (which to a great many people is a moral argument)
Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
another.
The law books are completely full of crimes based on moral judgment.
Prostitution, gambling, child exploitation, "animal cruelty", I could
cite a million of them. They are not unique in any way.
I didn't say no laws were based on whatever passed for morality at the
time. You accused Bajori of being the same as the "moral police" and of
forcing an agenda on people.
That's silly. Without non-sequitur complaining about what *you* are
worried about (but which has nothing to do with gay marriage other than
some of the people who support one also support the other) you can't tell
us what it is that would be "forced" on people.
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BaJoRi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
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In article
evadnikufesin-1D1931.20470014112008@nntp.motzarella.org>,
evadnikufesin <evadnikufesin@gmail.invalidcom.domain> wrote:
In article <McqdnZ4KNdCZCIDUnZ2dnUVZ8sednZ2d@bt.com>,
"Andrew McGee" <amhome@btopenworld.com> wrote:
So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
start to support single-sex marriage.
Just confirm that that's right, would you?
Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from
fascist groups.
Totally unamerican.
Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States
is from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be
the moral police
Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through gay
marriage (which to a great many people is a moral argument) and the
gay lifestyle?
Nope. First, I'm straight and married for 14 years so far. Second, I
believe in the freedom of people to make their own choices in this
matter. There is no "forcing" of gay marriage or the "gay lifestyle" on
anyone who doesn't want it (BTW it's not a lifestyle, sexual orientation
is wired before birth). Supporting the guarantee of equal civil rights
for all is anti-fascism.
and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting gay marriage are not
fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
homosexuals; it's that anti-gay marriage groups that are fascist in
their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile
slogans like "Country First").
YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.
Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his ilk. I
support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they should make
your choices for you because you can't be trusted to make the "right"
choices (that is, the choices they think you should make).
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Sorry, you have still done nothing to show that you are different. If
someone believes in the hear that homosexuality is wrong, and to have any of
it in society is wrong, your goal is to force your beliefs and what you
think is "right" on those people. In other words, no matter what the issue,
one side or the other will not be happy with the results. |
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