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Richard Maine
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BaJoRi <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
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Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his ilk. I
support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they should make
your choices for you because you can't be trusted to make the "right"
choices (that is, the choices they think you should make).
Sorry, you have still done nothing to show that you are different. If
someone believes in the hear that homosexuality is wrong, and to have any of
it in society is wrong, your goal is to force your beliefs and what you
think is "right" on those people. In other words, no matter what the issue,
one side or the other will not be happy with the results.
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Apparently you can't tell the difference between person X wanting to
have the right to exist and person Y wanting to have the right to tell
person X he can't exist. That's a sad commentary on you. I see a world
of difference. It is pretty easy for me to see which one is forcing
things on the other.
Oh, and I'm straight, 35-years married, and the thought of homosexual
sex makes me physically ill. (For that matter, so does the though of sex
with some women like the morbidly obese neighbor friend, but I digress).
But I can also figure out that it is none of my business and that
homosexuals shouldn't need to come get my permission to get married. I
sure as hell didn't have figured it was anyone else's business who I
choose to marry. I don't even recall asking her father for permission;
I'm fairly traditionalist, but not that much so; we instead just told
him about our decision to get married.
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email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain |
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D.F. Manno
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <Q4ydnXIcZvP7NbzUnZ2dnUVZ_sHinZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
D.F. Manno <dfmanno@mail.com> wrote:
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
dialog on the issues in the gay community. While not all
gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
solidarity with the act.
Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
treat us to another anti-gay rant?
Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?
Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?
Is it your opinion that not one gay person out there could have actually
done this?
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That's not what I said. You really need to work on that comprehension
problem.
The point is that at the moment the only person who knows who did it is
the person who did it. Your attempt to link it to gay activists is
nothing more than uninformed speculation.
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D.F. Manno
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <batman-0B2CEC.14461317112008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
Batman <batman@z.z> wrote:
| Quote: | By gayness I mean that in English Lit you may
study a few stories about hetero couples, then a story or 2 about gay
couples. And students that have an awkwardness towards the opposite sex
(and who doesn't at that age?) will find it easier finding a mate with
the same sex. Easier psychologically that is.
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This is more a display of your latent homosexual tendencies than it is a
statement of fact. Reading stories about gay people won't make people
gay any more than reading stories about boats makes people sailors.
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This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it. |
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:02 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <q_FUk.82697$mZ6.67319@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his
ilk. I support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they
should make your choices for you because you can't be trusted to
make the "right" choices (that is, the choices they think you
should make).
Sorry, you have still done nothing to show that you are different. If
someone believes in the hear that homosexuality is wrong, and to have
any of it in society is wrong, your goal is to force your beliefs and
what you think is "right" on those people. In other words, no matter
what the issue, one side or the other will not be happy with the
results.
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You're looking at it all wrong, which is not surprising. One side
(yours) is trying to oppress the other side, and deprive it of human
rights. The other side (mine) is working for liberty and justice for
all.
I don't give a shit what you believe; it's what you try to do to me that
matters to me.
BTW, 104 retired generals and admirals have signed a statement that they
believe that "Don't ask, don't tell" should be done away with:
<http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/dont.ask.dont.tell/index.html>
You may have won the recent battle, but you're going to lose the war.
And don't forget that you started the war.
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <QZ-dnTmWZtx_j77UnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Funny how you responded to my comments in the above manner and still
have the nerve to call me a liar.
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What is so funny about calling a liar a liar?
| Quote: | I have to say that I have really enjoyed this exchange. Are you
always this passionate, or does it only occur about a week out of the
month.
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So you're sexist as well as homophobic. I'd wager that you're racist
and anti-Semitic as well.
Are you always an obnoxious bigot, or does it occur only when you're
awake?
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <1YKdnY6h4tv9j77UnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | No you didn't. You said that's what the link means, but it
doesn't.
Because you're too addled to figure out what it means doesn't mean
that it doesn't.
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I figured out what it means, your lies to the contrary.
| Quote: | Watch those insults, asshole. I'm a lesbian, not one of your
cock-sucking bimbos.
Whatever. You clearly are one of those self loathing gays that will
do anything to try to make their cause something that others will
take notice of, even at the detriment of children.
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Children are more in danger from you than they'll ever be from me. Oh,
and I don't loathe myself at all, I don't even dislike myself.
| Quote: | Where did I lie?
Just about everything you have said about gays.
So no cite, just a prejudged generalization. Hmm...
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No prejudgement at all; I came to that conclusion after reading your
garbage. And anything I cite as a lie, you'll merely lie again and say
that it's not a lie.
| Quote: | That's because you can't accept what you really are.
Sure I can. I'm happy with the way I am.
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You're happy to be a hate-mongering bigot?
| Quote: | Are you happy with the way YOU are?
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Mostly; about the only thing I'm not happy about is that I don't run
fast enough. I would have loved to have had a better time in the
marathon I ran a month ago.
| Quote: | I'd love to meet a lesbian that didn't have a fucking chip on their
shoulder about everything in life.
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If you weren't so obnoxious, you would find that people would treat you
better. Stop pretending to be a victim, fuckwit.
| Quote: | That really shows a lot of tolerance and acceptance on your
behalf.
I tolerate thugs like you the same way that blacks tolerate the
Klan.
Don't be ridiculous, I wouldn't light a cross in front of your house
or string you up or anything like the Klan would do to blacks.
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No, you don't have the guts to do something direct as that, but what you
do do is just as damaging to us as the overt action the Klan takes. But
they're not all that brave either; they have to hid beneath their sheets.
| Quote: | I just have an issue with your terrorist tactics and think they're
wrong.
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You accusing me of being a terrorist is like Bin Laden accusing the Dali
Lama of being a terrorist, but on a smaller scale.
| Quote: | And I think that bringing graphic words describing your sex acts into
classrooms full of ten year olds is reprehensible.
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I think that you are full of shit.
| Quote: | Other than that I'm sure you're a nice person with only a few mental
defects...
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Whereas I know that you are definitely not a nice person, and think you
have a major mental defect.
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John W Kennedy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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D.F. Manno wrote:
| Quote: | In article <batman-0B2CEC.14461317112008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,
Batman <batman@z.z> wrote:
By gayness I mean that in English Lit you may
study a few stories about hetero couples, then a story or 2 about gay
couples. And students that have an awkwardness towards the opposite sex
(and who doesn't at that age?) will find it easier finding a mate with
the same sex. Easier psychologically that is.
This is more a display of your latent homosexual tendencies than it is a
statement of fact. Reading stories about gay people won't make people
gay any more than reading stories about boats makes people sailors.
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Yeah -- this "Batman" has done more to improve Frederic Wertham's
posthumous reputation than Bush has to improve Warren G. Harding's.
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John W. Kennedy
"Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the
throne of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts"
-- J. Michael Straczynski. "Babylon 5", "Ceremonies of Light and Dark" |
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D.F. Manno
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <1YKdnY6h4tv9j77UnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"tar~bal" <base@wheeze.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I'd love to meet a lesbian that didn't have a fucking chip on their
shoulder about everything in life.
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Not about everything in life, just you.
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BaJoRi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Richard Maine" <nospam@see.signature> wrote in message
news:1iqlsay.g6wcfg1qjml1oN%nospam@see.signature...
| Quote: | BaJoRi <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
"Tim McNamara" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
news:timmcn-2D42B2.19323817112008@news.iphouse.com...
Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his ilk. I
support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they should make
your choices for you because you can't be trusted to make the "right"
choices (that is, the choices they think you should make).
Sorry, you have still done nothing to show that you are different. If
someone believes in the hear that homosexuality is wrong, and to have any
of
it in society is wrong, your goal is to force your beliefs and what you
think is "right" on those people. In other words, no matter what the
issue,
one side or the other will not be happy with the results.
Apparently you can't tell the difference between person X wanting to
have the right to exist and person Y wanting to have the right to tell
person X he can't exist.
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I agree that someone teling someone else to burn in hell and die is a little
much. However, for every idiot bible-thumper who spouts that type of
nonsense, so we can find a militant gay activist who finds it very
justifiable to do the same thing, while condemning others for the same act.
| Quote: | That's a sad commentary on you. I see a world
of difference. It is pretty easy for me to see which one is forcing
things on the other.
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Whether you like it or not, people have every right to approve or disapprove
of homosexuality. While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to
adhere to their views, through things like Prop 8, etc. So it is also wrong
for people to try and force their own views of homosexuality on others, by
whetever means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such to be
placed into the curriculum of public schools. And don't tell me that isn't
happening, as I just went to a school board meeting in my area where that
was on the agenda, to be put in the classroom of my second grade child.
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Oh, and I'm straight, 35-years married, and the thought of homosexual
sex makes me physically ill. (For that matter, so does the though of sex
with some women like the morbidly obese neighbor friend, but I digress).
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It doesn't matter straight or gay. It really doesn't (and by the way, the
thought of Hillary Clinton in spandex would put most men off sex forever). I
am all for gay marriage, and equal rights, etc. But I am absolutely appalled
at the hypocrisy of people who claim that it is important for their views to
be heard, but would deny that right to others, when they disagree with them.
And I am absolutely pissed off at the tactics being used to force people to
adhere to their viewpoints; mainly the teaching of homosexual lifestyles in
grade schools, or any public-funded schools, for that matter.
| Quote: | But I can also figure out that it is none of my business and that
homosexuals shouldn't need to come get my permission to get married.
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My personal feeling is that the government doesn't have the Constitutional
authority to permit marriage to ANYONE, let alone gay or straight. Marriage
is a religious observance, and therefore should be covered under the
separation of Church and State. My feeling is, since marriage is a religious
ceremony (and of the government insists on being involved with such), if the
government recognizes the tax-exempt status of a specific church or religion
and that church or religion performs a religious ceremony, to straight or
gay it makes no dofference, then the government should recognize it. |
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BaJoRi
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-348869.15023118112008@mara100-84.onlink.net...
| Quote: | In article <q_FUk.82697$mZ6.67319@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his
ilk. I support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they
should make your choices for you because you can't be trusted to
make the "right" choices (that is, the choices they think you
should make).
Sorry, you have still done nothing to show that you are different. If
someone believes in the hear that homosexuality is wrong, and to have
any of it in society is wrong, your goal is to force your beliefs and
what you think is "right" on those people. In other words, no matter
what the issue, one side or the other will not be happy with the
results.
You're looking at it all wrong, which is not surprising. One side
(yours) is trying to oppress the other side, and deprive it of human
rights. The other side (mine) is working for liberty and justice for
all.
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As long as it is done your way and there are no dissenting opionions.
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I don't give a shit what you believe; it's what you try to do to me that
matters to me.
BTW, 104 retired generals and admirals have signed a statement that they
believe that "Don't ask, don't tell" should be done away with:
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I agree. I would put all the gays on the front line against the Taliban,
tell them that there is a Penney's on the other side of the hill, and that
there is a TREMENDOUS sale on new drapes.
Gauranteed that there would be no American casualties and thousands of
Taliban would be trampled mercilessly.
| Quote: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/dont.ask.dont.tell/index.html
You may have won the recent battle, but you're going to lose the war.
And don't forget that you started the war.
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And the stupidity in your stance is that you alienate people that actually
are on your side, but disagree with you tactics. Schools are no place for
you to make your point.
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America. |
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John W Kennedy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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BaJoRi wrote:
| Quote: | Marriage is a religious observance,
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Not all religions believe that. In fact, Protestantism doesn't.
Protestant churches just do weddings because Roman Catholic churches do,
and when countries switched from Roman Catholicism to Protestantism,
someone had to take up the slack.
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John W. Kennedy
Read the remains of Shakespeare's lost play, now annotated!
http://pws.prserv.net/jwkennedy/Double%20Falshood/index.html |
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <p7JUk.329464$Xn4.301552@fe09.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | You're looking at it all wrong, which is not surprising. One side
(yours) is trying to oppress the other side, and deprive it of
human rights. The other side (mine) is working for liberty and
justice for all.
As long as it is done your way and there are no dissenting opionions.
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I don't care how it is done, so long as it is done. But what do you
mean by a dissenting opinion? Do you mean that you don't want liberty
and justice for all?
| Quote: | BTW, 104 retired generals and admirals have signed a statement that
they believe that "Don't ask, don't tell" should be done away with:
I agree. I would put all the gays on the front line against the
Taliban, tell them that there is a Penney's on the other side of the
hill, and that there is a TREMENDOUS sale on new drapes.
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I'm sure that in your warped little so-called mind, you actually believe
that.
| Quote: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/17/dont.ask.dont.tell/index.htm
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You may have won the recent battle, but you're going to lose the
war. And don't forget that you started the war.
And the stupidity in your stance is that you alienate people that
actually are on your side, but disagree with you tactics.
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The only people who are alienated are the bigots like you, who are
already alienated.
| Quote: | Schools are no place for you to make your point.
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Why do you keep dragging schools into this? This is about marriage, not
schools. Unlike you creeps, we don't want to marry children.
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Michelle Steiner
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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In article <E3JUk.83532$mZ6.80326@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
"BaJoRi" <baronjosefr@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I agree that someone teling someone else to burn in hell and die is a
little much. However, for every idiot bible-thumper who spouts that
type of nonsense, so we can find a militant gay activist who finds it
very justifiable to do the same thing, while condemning others for
the same act.
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I bet you can't.
| Quote: | Whether you like it or not, people have every right to approve or
disapprove of homosexuality.
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That's right, they do. They don't have the right to deprive us of our
civil rights, though.
| Quote: | While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to adhere to
their views, through things like Prop 8, etc.
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It is wrong for them to deprive us of our civil rights, like through
things like Prop 8.
| Quote: | So it is also wrong for people to try and force their own views of
homosexuality on others,
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No one is trying to force you to marry someone of your own sex. No one
is trying to force you to believe anything.
| Quote: | by whetever means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such
to be placed into the curriculum of public schools.
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Why do you want to single out gays? Why aren't you objecting to
religious and racial tolerance being taught in public schools? You're a
hypocrite, that's why.
| Quote: | It really doesn't (and by the way, the thought of Hillary Clinton in
spandex would put most men off sex forever).
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No, it would put off only sexually repressed men with fragile egos.
| Quote: | I am all for gay marriage, and equal rights, etc.
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Not that we've seen here, liar.
| Quote: | But I am absolutely appalled at the hypocrisy of people who claim
that it is important for their views to be heard, but would deny that
right to others, when they disagree with them.
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Unless it's your view, hypocrite.
| Quote: | My personal feeling is that the government doesn't have the
Constitutional authority to permit marriage to ANYONE, let alone gay
or straight. Marriage is a religious observance, and therefore should
be covered under the separation of Church and State.
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I knew it. I knew there would be something that you and I agreed about.
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Batman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accept |
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| Quote: | Whether you like it or not, people have every right to approve or disapprove
of homosexuality. While you claim it is wrong for people to force you to
adhere to their views, through things like Prop 8, etc. So it is also wrong
for people to try and force their own views of homosexuality on others, by
whetever means necessary, notably trying to get tolerance for such to be
placed into the curriculum of public schools. And don't tell me that isn't
happening, as I just went to a school board meeting in my area where that
was on the agenda, to be put in the classroom of my second grade child.
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See? From an actual parent that's seen it happening. Imagine what it
will be like in 10 years. Will gay educators demand equal time? IOW 1
hetero story for every gay story read in English?
| Quote: | Oh, and I'm straight, 35-years married, and the thought of homosexual
sex makes me physically ill. (For that matter, so does the though of sex
with some women like the morbidly obese neighbor friend, but I digress).
It doesn't matter straight or gay. It really doesn't (and by the way, the
thought of Hillary Clinton in spandex would put most men off sex forever). I
am all for gay marriage, and equal rights, etc. But I am absolutely appalled
at the hypocrisy of people who claim that it is important for their views to
be heard, but would deny that right to others, when they disagree with them.
And I am absolutely pissed off at the tactics being used to force people to
adhere to their viewpoints; mainly the teaching of homosexual lifestyles in
grade schools, or any public-funded schools, for that matter.
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You see this all boils down to "Do you feel homosexuality is an OK way
to live or not?" You can ignore it but when it broaches your children's
education, you're going to get a very different reaction from straight
parents than the typical "I don't care what you do behind closed doors".
Because what happens behind closed doors always seems to waft into
society sooner or later.
| Quote: | But I can also figure out that it is none of my business and that
homosexuals shouldn't need to come get my permission to get married.
My personal feeling is that the government doesn't have the Constitutional
authority to permit marriage to ANYONE, let alone gay or straight. Marriage
is a religious observance, and therefore should be covered under the
separation of Church and State. My feeling is, since marriage is a religious
ceremony (and of the government insists on being involved with such), if the
government recognizes the tax-exempt status of a specific church or religion
and that church or religion performs a religious ceremony, to straight or
gay it makes no dofference, then the government should recognize it.
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Its really not about monetary issues - not the big picture. Its about
the legitimizing of it. And that only comes from education. From the
next generation. You want to change society? Control public education.
That is what this is really about - what we will realize in a few
decades when liberals let this pass today. |
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Paul Hyett
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 at 12:46:56, tar~bal <base@wheeze.net> wrote in
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"KK" <_KK_@furburger.net> wrote in message
Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
another.
The law books are completely full of crimes based on moral judgment.
Prostitution, gambling, child exploitation, "animal cruelty", I could cite
a million of them. They are not unique in any way.
Though some are far more sensible than others - ones about not eating |
certain kinds of food seem particularly bizarre to me.
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