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 Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: O'Bama press conference |
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"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Bob Wheatley scribed:
(I think sending checks to taxpayers who are going to have to send them
back
and calling it stimulus is just plain stupid. It was stupid when Bush did
it
and it will be stupid when Obama does it)
What makes you think that Obama is going to be as stupid as Bush? The man
said we needed a stimulus, he didn't elaborate on what that stimulus would
be.
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I wasn't calling Bush or Obama stupid.
I think sending taxpayers money who have to send it back and calling it
stimulus is stupid.
It's common knowledge that a "2nd round" of stimulus is on the table and
Obama has indicated he wanted to get that done. Even going so far as to see
if Bush would sort of "preemptively" help him get it done so it wouldn't
have to wait until January.
http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/18725764.html
| Quote: | "Often dismissed in favor of the quick-jolt stimulus, spending on bridges,
streets and sewers is on the table again. Obama backs the public works
idea,
an echo of the FDR era." <http://tinyurl.com/6h8vs9
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I didn't read the link yet, but I do agree with the above. I think that our
infastructure is an investment in ourselves and there are plenty of areas in
all states that could use rebuilding. If we are going to just print money to
pay for things I think this is a much better route to go. Our electrical
grid is circa 1970's and you already know I'm a proponent of building a
bunch of new nuclear power plants.
| Quote: | Second, we must address the spreading impact of the financial crisis on
other sectors of our economy: small businesses that are struggling to meet
their payrolls and finance their holiday inventories; and state and
municipal governments facing devastating budget cuts and tax increases. We
must also remember that the financial crisis is increasingly global and
requires a global response.
(Holiday inventories? Freudian slip?
The slip is yours. Read it again. He is qualifying the companies who are
struggling, and who he is talking about.
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Come on Ed, he said what "we must address". He can't "address" anything
until after jan 20.
I don't think anything "negative" about the comment. I thought it peculiar.
| Quote: | He's not the president until after the
holidays. Regarding municipal shortfalls, sending taxpayer money for other
taxpayer shortfalls is as stupid as writing hot checks)
Funny, I don't see you condemning Bush for giving away taxpayer money to
the
banks...for nothing in return.
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Sure you have. I don't agree with the bailout or the stimulus package.
You and I had discussions here when all this first came up. I have major
philisophical issues with government bailing out private business. I did say
then that if those who knew the situation believed that it kept our economy
from collapsing then I reluctantly agree with a bailout. I've since gathered
enough information to believe that I don't think we should have done it.
| Quote: | Finally, as we monitor and address these immediate economic challenges, we
will be moving forward in laying out a set of policies that will grow our
middle-class and strengthen our economy in the long-term. We cannot afford
to wait on moving forward on the key priorities that I identified during
the
campaign, including clean energy, health care, education and tax relief
for
middle class families.
(Idealistic talking points that don't really say anything. If he's saying
that he's going to move forward with major infrastructure projects then I
do
agree with that)
Idealistic talking points? Your statement is nonsense. To paraphrase, 'We
have to monitor the situation and collect data, so we can take appropriate
action. Time is of the essence if we want to achieve the goals I set out.'
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"grow our middle class, strengthen our economy, move forward on key
priorities, clean energy, education, tax relief, blah blah blah.
Again, the context here is what was actually said in a "news" conference.
And again, I didn't expect anything and that was delivered.
| Quote: | He didn't say what he is going to do.
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My only point in this response.....
| Quote: | My transition team will be working on each of these priorities in the
weeks
ahead, and I intend to reconvene this Advisory Board to discuss the best
ideas for responding to these immediate problems.
Let me close by saying that I do not underestimate the enormity of the
task
that lies ahead. We have taken some major actions to date, and we will
need
further actions during this transition and subsequent months. Some of
those
choices will be difficult, but America is a strong and resilient country.
I
know that we will succeed if we put aside partisanship and work together
as
one nation. And that is what I intend to do.
I find it amusing that the man was elected only a few days ago, he doesn't
assume office for another two months, and some are already denigrating him
for not having a ready solution to the worst financial problem the country
has faced in almost a century.
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No denigration here. However, having a press conference is nothing to be
"impressed" about either.
| Quote: | Perhaps you and others who think as you do would be well served to get the
taste of sour grapes out of your mouth. After all, you don't want to miss
the taste of crow you're going to be treated to.  )
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I hope you and those that voted for him are right.
I have a gravy recipe that'll make anything taste good.:>)
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Victek
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Obama press conference |
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| Quote: | So, even dancers disagree about politics - who woulda thought <g>. The
bottom-line is we'll have to wait and see what Obama accomplishes after
he's
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....or disagree on the results!.....Miki
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Ed Jay
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: O'Bama press conference |
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Bob Wheatley scribed:
| Quote: | "Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:ebrch4hkoeng9db4ql6r3r2revd7qr7j8b@4ax.com...
Bob Wheatley scribed:
(I think sending checks to taxpayers who are going to have to send them
back and calling it stimulus is just plain stupid. It was stupid when Bush did
it and it will be stupid when Obama does it)
What makes you think that Obama is going to be as stupid as Bush? The man
said we needed a stimulus, he didn't elaborate on what that stimulus would
be.
I wasn't calling Bush or Obama stupid.
I think sending taxpayers money who have to send it back and calling it
stimulus is stupid.
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I stand corrected on what you wrote. (I still reserve the right to call Bush
stupid.).
| Quote: | It's common knowledge that a "2nd round" of stimulus is on the table and
Obama has indicated he wanted to get that done. Even going so far as to see
if Bush would sort of "preemptively" help him get it done so it wouldn't
have to wait until January.
http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/18725764.html
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The citation says that Pelosi wants a second round of stimulus, because "She
says there are a few things that didn't make it into the first stimulus
package and it's time for another one." No place in the article does it
suggest another check. The article was published six months ago...It has
nothing to do with Obama.
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"Often dismissed in favor of the quick-jolt stimulus, spending on bridges,
streets and sewers is on the table again. Obama backs the public works
idea, an echo of the FDR era." <http://tinyurl.com/6h8vs9
I didn't read the link yet, but I do agree with the above. I think that our
infastructure is an investment in ourselves and there are plenty of areas in
all states that could use rebuilding. If we are going to just print money to
pay for things I think this is a much better route to go. Our electrical
grid is circa 1970's and you already know I'm a proponent of building a
bunch of new nuclear power plants.
I don't know if we have to print money, i.e., inflate the $, but I'm in |
favor of a CCC-like program. We need to refurbish the infrastructure, and
there are lots of laborers who need work. (I'm still opposed to building a
bunch of nuclear power plants, until we have neutralized all of the
negatives.)
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Second, we must address the spreading impact of the financial crisis on
other sectors of our economy: small businesses that are struggling to meet
their payrolls and finance their holiday inventories; and state and
municipal governments facing devastating budget cuts and tax increases. We
must also remember that the financial crisis is increasingly global and
requires a global response.
(Holiday inventories? Freudian slip?
The slip is yours. Read it again. He is qualifying the companies who are
struggling, and who he is talking about.
Come on Ed, he said what "we must address". He can't "address" anything
until after jan 20.
I don't think anything "negative" about the comment. I thought it peculiar.
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He's not the president until after the
holidays. Regarding municipal shortfalls, sending taxpayer money for other
taxpayer shortfalls is as stupid as writing hot checks)
Funny, I don't see you condemning Bush for giving away taxpayer money to
the banks...for nothing in return.
Sure you have. I don't agree with the bailout or the stimulus package.
You and I had discussions here when all this first came up. I have major
philisophical issues with government bailing out private business. I did say
then that if those who knew the situation believed that it kept our economy
from collapsing then I reluctantly agree with a bailout. I've since gathered
enough information to believe that I don't think we should have done it.
Certainly not the manner in which it looks like they're going to conduct the |
bailout. I'm on record for strongly supporting a bailout that would result
in an overall profit for the taxpayers. That's what we were led to believe
was the case. This nonsense about buying non-voting stock in banks is a pure
gift to the banks. It seems to me to be entirely unjustified.
Have you read where Bush threatened congressman that he would declare
Marshall Law if they didn't pass his bailout bill? With Bush's record of
'helping his buddies,' that should have been a signal that the bailout plan
was a front for another Bush giveaway. <http://tinyurl.com/5pr63y>
| Quote: | I find it amusing that the man was elected only a few days ago, he doesn't
assume office for another two months, and some are already denigrating him
for not having a ready solution to the worst financial problem the country
has faced in almost a century.
No denigration here. However, having a press conference is nothing to be
"impressed" about either.
You need to think about why he held the press conference.
Perhaps you and others who think as you do would be well served to get the
taste of sour grapes out of your mouth. After all, you don't want to miss
the taste of crow you're going to be treated to. )
I hope you and those that voted for him are right.
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We all hope so too.
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memiki
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: O'Bama press conference |
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On Nov 8, 9:23 pm, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
| Quote: | memiki scribed:
On Nov 8, 7:47 am, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
I am incredibly impressed by Obama's economic team. I doubt that a more
qualified group of economic giants has been assembled before.
Please tell me you are not impressed by the inclusion of Mayor Antonio
R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles......how in the world did he get
there??!!!! Although he is listed as a "participant", he does not
"hold a candle" to any of them......Miki
LOL. When I saw that Villaraigosa was part of the group I blinked my eyes
and hit rewind to make sure I heard correctly. Maybe someone else can
explain why he's included, I sure don't understand. Is he a bright, creative
mind with gobs of economic knowledge? I don't know, but I don't think so.
Maybe I misunderstood and he's the mutt that Obama mentioned. ;-)
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Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles is a joke......I could
count the ways, but not today......and if I recall correctly, his
postion in the lineup was very prominent and near the President-Elect.
Perhaps they were balancing the "chorus line" by height, and they
needed someone close to Rham Emanuel's height on the other side of P-E
Obama Although they were not exactly in the same lineup,
Villaraigosa was leaning forward ...........i i I i i :)
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Bob Wheatley
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: Re: O'Bama press conference |
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"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Bob Wheatley scribed:
"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:ebrch4hkoeng9db4ql6r3r2revd7qr7j8b@4ax.com...
Bob Wheatley scribed:
(I think sending checks to taxpayers who are going to have to send them
back and calling it stimulus is just plain stupid. It was stupid when
Bush did
it and it will be stupid when Obama does it)
What makes you think that Obama is going to be as stupid as Bush? The
man
said we needed a stimulus, he didn't elaborate on what that stimulus
would
be.
I wasn't calling Bush or Obama stupid.
I think sending taxpayers money who have to send it back and calling it
stimulus is stupid.
I stand corrected on what you wrote. (I still reserve the right to call
Bush
stupid.).
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And of course I'm reserving my right to call Obama whatever turns out to be
appropriate over the next 4 years, or heaven forbid, 8 years.:>)
There is at least one GOOD thing about this ticket though. For the first
time in my entire adult life (since 1980) there's not a single damn Bush or
Clinton on it! :>)
| Quote: | It's common knowledge that a "2nd round" of stimulus is on the table and
Obama has indicated he wanted to get that done. Even going so far as to
see
if Bush would sort of "preemptively" help him get it done so it wouldn't
have to wait until January.
http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/18725764.html
The citation says that Pelosi wants a second round of stimulus, because
"She
says there are a few things that didn't make it into the first stimulus
package and it's time for another one." No place in the article does it
suggest another check. The article was published six months ago...It has
nothing to do with Obama.
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Obama speaks really good English:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22stimulus+package%22%2Bobama&aq=o&oq=
| Quote: | I don't know if we have to print money, i.e., inflate the $, but I'm in
favor of a CCC-like program. We need to refurbish the infrastructure, and
there are lots of laborers who need work. (I'm still opposed to building a
bunch of nuclear power plants, until we have neutralized all of the
negatives.)
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Have you seen this yet?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos
| Quote: | Have you read where Bush threatened congressman that he would declare
Marshall Law if they didn't pass his bailout bill? With Bush's record of
'helping his buddies,' that should have been a signal that the bailout
plan
was a front for another Bush giveaway. <http://tinyurl.com/5pr63y
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Yeah, I had heard that and if it had any real meat the press would have went
after Bush.
1 or 2 critics out of 535 doesn't mean anything to me.
That said, I like how you call it "Bush's plan" yet the senate was the first
to pass their own version and added 150b to the price tag. I don't like that
Bush supported it, but you can't lay this package at his feet. There's
plenty of blame to go around. Obama supported it as well and even
pontificated that he was making sure that there would be appropriate
oversight.
I don't blame any of them. I blame all of them.
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Ed Jay
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: Re: O'Bama press conference |
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Bob Wheatley scribed:
| Quote: | "Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:ah3eh4l4j70nrm2pfhg9u768motfbc59k2@4ax.com...
Bob Wheatley scribed:
"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
news:ebrch4hkoeng9db4ql6r3r2revd7qr7j8b@4ax.com...
Bob Wheatley scribed:
(I think sending checks to taxpayers who are going to have to send them
back and calling it stimulus is just plain stupid. It was stupid when
Bush did it and it will be stupid when Obama does it)
What makes you think that Obama is going to be as stupid as Bush? The
man said we needed a stimulus, he didn't elaborate on what that stimulus
would be.
I wasn't calling Bush or Obama stupid.
I think sending taxpayers money who have to send it back and calling it
stimulus is stupid.
I stand corrected on what you wrote. (I still reserve the right to call
Bush stupid.).
And of course I'm reserving my right to call Obama whatever turns out to be
appropriate over the next 4 years, or heaven forbid, 8 years.:>)
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Forgetting comedian Rush's fabrications and prognostications for the moment,
what if the man does a great job? ;-)
| Quote: | There is at least one GOOD thing about this ticket though. For the first
time in my entire adult life (since 1980) there's not a single damn Bush or
Clinton on it! :>)
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Yes, yes and yes!
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It's common knowledge that a "2nd round" of stimulus is on the table and
Obama has indicated he wanted to get that done. Even going so far as to
see if Bush would sort of "preemptively" help him get it done so it wouldn't
have to wait until January.
http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/18725764.html
The citation says that Pelosi wants a second round of stimulus, because
"She
says there are a few things that didn't make it into the first stimulus
package and it's time for another one." No place in the article does it
suggest another check. The article was published six months ago...It has
nothing to do with Obama.
Obama speaks really good English:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22stimulus+package%22%2Bobama&aq=o&oq=
No place did I see that he's going to pass out checks. Obama, or at least |
his economic advisors, know that's a foolish move, especially in view of how
it didn't work the first time around. From what I've read, Obama plans to
pass out checks to businesses so they can create jobs. Folks...you want
cash? You have to work for it. Sure beats handing out food stamps and
welfare payments, eh? It sure seems like a better way to 'spread the wealth'
than what Bush did. (I guess Bush is the Socialist, huh!)
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I don't know if we have to print money, i.e., inflate the $, but I'm in
favor of a CCC-like program. We need to refurbish the infrastructure, and
there are lots of laborers who need work. (I'm still opposed to building a
bunch of nuclear power plants, until we have neutralized all of the
negatives.)
Have you seen this yet?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos
No, I hadn't. Sounds like it could be a workable endeavor. I look forward to |
seeing what they're going to do with the waste.
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Have you read where Bush threatened congressman that he would declare
Marshall Law if they didn't pass his bailout bill? With Bush's record of
'helping his buddies,' that should have been a signal that the bailout
plan was a front for another Bush giveaway. <http://tinyurl.com/5pr63y
Yeah, I had heard that and if it had any real meat the press would have went
after Bush.
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Several congressmen have reported it. Following the announcement that 4000-
5000 military were deployed within the country to 'handle unruly people,'
one has to wonder. As to the press, there's a lot they don't publish. Want
the real US news? Read the foreign press.
| Quote: | 1 or 2 critics out of 535 doesn't mean anything to me.
That said, I like how you call it "Bush's plan" yet the senate was the first
to pass their own version and added 150b to the price tag. I don't like that
Bush supported it, but you can't lay this package at his feet.
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Where did the idea originate?
| Quote: | There's plenty of blame to go around. Obama supported it as well and even
pontificated that he was making sure that there would be appropriate
oversight.
I don't blame any of them. I blame all of them.
We agree. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: Re: O'Bama press conference |
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"memiki" <memiki@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 8, 9:23 pm, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
| Quote: | memiki scribed:
On Nov 8, 7:47 am, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
I am incredibly impressed by Obama's economic team. I doubt that a more
qualified group of economic giants has been assembled before.
Please tell me you are not impressed by the inclusion of Mayor Antonio
R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles......how in the world did he get
there??!!!! Although he is listed as a "participant", he does not
"hold a candle" to any of them......Miki
LOL. When I saw that Villaraigosa was part of the group I blinked my eyes
and hit rewind to make sure I heard correctly. Maybe someone else can
explain why he's included, I sure don't understand. Is he a bright,
creative
mind with gobs of economic knowledge? I don't know, but I don't think so.
Maybe I misunderstood and he's the mutt that Obama mentioned. ;-)
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| Quote: | Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles is a joke......I could
count the ways, but not today......and if I recall correctly, his |
postion in the lineup was very prominent and near the President-Elect.
Perhaps they were balancing the "chorus line" by height, and they
needed someone close to Rham Emanuel's height on the other side of P-E
Obama Although they were not exactly in the same lineup,
Villaraigosa was leaning forward ...........i i I i i >
Wasn't the governor of Michigan ( Jennifer Granholm ) on the "economic" team
as well?
Her credentials aren't exactly "shiny" when you look at the economic well
being of Michigan.
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memiki
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On Nov 9, 8:07 pm, "Bob Wheatley" <xmaster.dan...@directway.com>
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| Quote: | "memiki" <mem...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1454918e-db10-40d1-813e-325594a4a0cd@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 8, 9:23 pm, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
memiki scribed:
On Nov 8, 7:47 am, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
I am incredibly impressed by Obama's economic team. I doubt that a more
qualified group of economic giants has been assembled before.
Please tell me you are not impressed by the inclusion of Mayor Antonio
R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles......how in the world did he get
there??!!!! Although he is listed as a "participant", he does not
"hold a candle" to any of them......Miki
LOL. When I saw that Villaraigosa was part of the group I blinked my eyes
and hit rewind to make sure I heard correctly. Maybe someone else can
explain why he's included, I sure don't understand. Is he a bright,
creative
mind with gobs of economic knowledge? I don't know, but I don't think so.
Maybe I misunderstood and he's the mutt that Obama mentioned. ;-)
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Ed Jay (remove 'M' to reply by email)
Win the War Against Breast Cancer.
Knowing the facts could save your life.http://www.breastthermography.info
Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles is a joke......I could
count the ways, but not today......and if I recall correctly, his
postion in the lineup was very prominent and near the President-Elect.
Perhaps they were balancing the "chorus line" by height, and they
needed someone close to Rham Emanuel's height on the other side of P-E
Obama Although they were not exactly in the same lineup,
Villaraigosa was leaning forward ...........i i I i i :)
Wasn't the governor of Michigan ( Jennifer Granholm ) on the "economic" team
as well?
Her credentials aren't exactly "shiny" when you look at the economic well
being of Michigan.
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Hi, Bob -- yes, Governor Jennifer Granholm of MIchigan was on the team
as well. Here is a picture of the group with I.D.'s.......and NO she
certainly is not a "shiny" example and one wonders also why she is in
the group.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/11/08/GR2008110800282.html
In this picture, Mayor Villaraigosa is nowhere near the President-
Elect,,,,yet in another photo, he was......
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I wonder if President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also sent a letter to P-E
Obama congratulating him on his choice of Chief of Staff Can you
even imagine a joint meeting with Ahmadinejad, Obama and Emanuel after
reading this?..........Miki
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Political Punch
Power, pop, and probings from ABC News Senior National Correspondent
Jake Tapper
Will the Arab World Take Issue With Rahm's Israeli Roots and Pro-
Israel Views?
November 06, 2008 7:18 PM
Israeli newspapers are already rejoicing about President-elect Obama's
selection of Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., to be his White House chief of
staff.
As the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz notes, Emanuel "is the son of a
Jerusalem-born pediatrician who was a member of the Irgun (Etzel or
IZL), a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931
and 1948." Emanuel's father told the newspaper that his son was named
after a fallen combatant named Rahamim.
In the Israel newspaper Ma'ariv, Emanuel's father, Dr. Benjamin
Emanuel said, "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-
Israel. Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to
clean the floors of the White House."
Rahm Emanuel headed Bill Clinton's finance committee during the
Arkansas governor's first presidential run, but he left to be a
civilian volunteer for the Israel Defense Forces during the 1991 Gulf
War. He rust-proofed brakes in one of Israel's northern bases.
Ali Abunimah of the Electronic Intifadah seems upset at Obama's
selection of a "pro-Israel hardliner."
"There could not be a more provocative appointment than Rahm Emanuel,
if he wanted to send a signal that he is going to stick by a quite
hard-line pro-Israel policy," Abunimah said on Democracy Now.
Abunimah pointed out that Emanuel's middle name is "Israel," and
described Emanuel's father as "a gun runner for the Irgun, the
Zionist, pre-Israel Zionist, militia that carried out numerous
terrorist attacks on Palestinian civilians, including the bombing of
the King David Hotel. Of course, Rahm Emanuel himself is not
responsible for any of that, but his record is sometimes far to the
right of President Bush when it comes to supporting Israel."
In the coming hours we'll see what the reaction is from the Arab
media.
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ITYM martial law.
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On Nov 10, 4:42 pm, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Bob Wheatley scribed:
"memiki" <mem...@aol.com> wrote in message
Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
memiki scribed:
On Nov 8, 7:47 am, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
I am incredibly impressed by Obama's economic team. I doubt that a more
qualified group of economic giants has been assembled before.
Please tell me you are not impressed by the inclusion of Mayor Antonio
R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles......how in the world did he get
there??!!!! Although he is listed as a "participant", he does not
"hold a candle" to any of them......Miki
LOL. When I saw that Villaraigosa was part of the group I blinked my eyes
and hit rewind to make sure I heard correctly. Maybe someone else can
explain why he's included, I sure don't understand. Is he a bright,
creative mind with gobs of economic knowledge? I don't know, but I don't think so.
Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles is a joke......I could
count the ways, but not today...
Wasn't the governor of Michigan (Jennifer Granholm ) on the "economic" team
as well? Her credentials aren't exactly "shiny" when you look at the economic well
being of Michigan.
I agree that Villaraigosa has more than his share of faults, and I agree
that Michigan has more than its share of economic woes. That said...
Rush and Hannity et al find fault and ridicule each and every person on the
team. That's what their mission in life is all about. What they don't take
into account are the reasons behind Obama choosing the people he chose. In
that regard, they supports their mission by promulgating their ignorance and
stupidity to their followers.
The Obama team is obviously composed of people who not only are capable of
crafting solutions to identified problems, but who are also intimately
familiar with the problems that need to be identified.
For example, despite his faults, Villaraigosa, the mayor of Los Angeles
understands the economic problems uniquely related to a large, sprawling
metropolis comprising multi-level castes. Certainly, the governor of
Michigan understands better than anyone else the economic problems unique to
a state that hosts our struggling automotive industry and the issues
attendant to that industry's problems. Robert Reich isn't necessarily a
great problem solver, be he has an extraordinary understanding of the issues
facing the US's vast labor force. I could go on and on.
Obama is not stupid, he is a brilliant individual. He knows what he is
doing, or he wouldn't be were he is. Obama has assembled a cast of experts,
each with specific expertise that is needed to identify, understand and
solve the many problems facing the USA. To say, for example, that
Villaraigosa is unqualified to identify and discuss the problems facing a
major city because he demonstrated with illegal immigrants is silly. It's as
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Ed -- Villaraigosa (AKA Tony Villar) spent the afternoon in a Century
City bathroom in Watts Tower dedicating waterless urinals.
I used to have an itinerary of his whereabouts, but cannot find it,
but still looking. It was shameful......hardly any time in his office;
spending time running to any photo ops he can manage; travels for
pleasure at taxpayers expense; had a cute little affair with a news
reporter covering him for her paper while married and his wife had
throat cancer; marched with the illegal aliens beginning with their
first march when they carried Mexican flags demanding equal benefits
and entitlements as American citizens; cheered them and encouraged
illegals from the podiums at the marches; he supports illegal
immigration; Villaraigosa was the only California politician who dared
to join in the 1996 March on Washington that demanded amnesty for
illegal aliens; LOS ANGELES — Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Assembly
Speaker Fabian Nunez are among those expected to join immigrant-rights
activists Thursday for a march and rally to denounce the actions of
Los Angeles riot police at a May Day rally at MacArthur Park
culminating with Villaraigosa stating that MacArthur Park was a safe
place to be 24/7.
With complains running rampant because of his absence from duties of
being Mayor, he told Hillary during her campaign he would knock on
doors for her as long as it took and his time was all hers.
After UCLA, Villaraigosa attended the People's College of Law (PCL), a
"community-run law school" in Los Angeles, which is unaccredited
through the State Bar.[7] Villaraigosa failed the California Bar Exam
in each of four attempts, and thus remains unlicensed to practice law
Los Angeles, Alta California - June 16, 2008 - (ACN) Los Angeles Mayor
Antonio Villaraigosa signed an agreement during his trip to Israel
that greatly endangers the security of all Angelenos and of travellers
who utilize the Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). The agreement
signed on Friday will allow right-wing Israeli Likud Party operatives
complete access to all areas of the LAX under the pretext of making
"expert" periodic reviews of anti-terrorist measures at the world's
fifth busiest airport. The agreement also calls for city taxpayers to
pay three Israelis $1000.00 each per day plus all travel, lodging and
other expenses while making "security" inspections at the LAX.
ACORN rent-A-mob demands more welfare housing in L.A.
The vote fraud factory known as ACORN (Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now) is apparently supporting Los Angeles
mayor Antonio Villaraigosa's crazy push for $5 billion in so-called
affordable housing...
And last, but not least, "Born to Raise Hell” – at UCLA
Antonio Villaraigosa, ( Tony Villara) one-time juvenile delinquent
still tattooed with the slogan “Born to Raise Hell,” entered the UCLA
campus as a transfer student from East Los Angeles Community College
in 1972. Known then simply as Tony Villar, he would not successfully
graduate by the time he left in 1975.(1) But Villar did leave a wide
swath of influence in other, more radical ways.
While on campus, Villar joined the UCLA chapter of Movimiento
Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA), and was part of its leadership
by 1974. MEChA had only been founded as a regional movement in 1969,
and in many ways, the UCLA chapter, and the radical Chicano student
left today, is a direct product of Villar’s work then.
Fellow MEChA alumni from the period remember Villaraigosa’s exploits
well:
"He was one of the guys that would go out there and start the slogans
because he was the loudest one," said Arturo Chavez, a fellow activist
in college. "He was one of the people who would make sure people were
riled up."
Chavez underemphasizes what young Tony Villar did on the UCLA campus.
Archives from the campus newspaper The Daily Bruin of 1974 have
revealed that Villar led a campaign to ensure an advisory role in the
UCLA Chicano Studies Center for a communist Chicano community group,
and successfully engineered the dismissal of the Chicano director of
the Center who stood in the way of this goal.
As first reported May 9, 1974, a group of approximately 50 Chicano
students (out of the 1,500 with Hispanic surnames on campus at that
time) called on the Chicano Studies Center Director Rudolfo ‘Rudy’
Alvarez to resign from his post. Villar accused Alvarez of “trying to
alter the concept behind Chicano studies.” The article paraphrased
Villar’s further accusation “that the center has drifted away from its
initial direction of research conducted in conjunction with the
community.”
After the protest by the group of students, the Bruin further
reported:
“When CSC staff members arrived at the center Monday morning, they
found locks inside and out of the offices jammed with toothpicks and
matches, file cabinets also jammed, and the mouthpieces of the phones
removed. It is not known who was responsible or whether this was
connected to the demonstration Friday. Leaders of the demonstration
deny any knowledge of the incident.”
Not content with petty vandalism, Villar’s group engineered, with the
cooperation of a like-minded staff, a shut-down of the Center with the
stated threat that it would not to end until Alvarez resigned.
But it is the article from June 25, 1974 that explains the real roots
of the controversy and shows the true agenda that belied Villar’s
posturing about Alvarez’s supposed “lack of leadership and
incapability as an administrator
The Daily Bruin on that date reported that “Chicano students are
considering filing a class action suit against Rodolfo Alvarez,
Chicano Studies Center (CSC) director, according to student leader
Raoul Garcia.
“Students criticized Alvarez’ mishandling of the Steering Committee in
1973. “Where at one time the Steering Committee composed of students,
faculty, and community people was the policy making body of the
Center, now Rudy is its sole dictator,” said Tony Villar, another
leader in the movement against Alvarez.
“Both Villar and Garcia attacked the Alvarez-directed CSC for working
only with government-sponsored drug programs “instead of community
organizations like the National Committee to Free Los Tres.””
The “National Committee to Free Los Tres,” it must be understood, was
a Los Angeles group created by former MEChistas to defend three
members of the militant Chicano organization Casa Carnalismo who were
convicted of assaulting a federal narcotics officer posing as a drug
dealer in East Los Angeles. Even more telling about this “community
organization” that Villar favored is that by 1974, a Marxist-Leninist
faction emerged within the NCFLT seeking to deemphasize the social-
service aspect of the organization, and hoping to transform its parent
group Casa Carnalismo into a "revolutionary vanguard" dedicated to the
"liberation of the Mexican people."(5) In a direct and unmistakable
way, Villar was advocating for nothing less than a Communist place at
the table within UCLA’s Chicano Studies Center.
The Bruin ended the story with a final quote from Villar:
“As Chicanos going to University they’re demanding relevant education
that they have some input into.”
The term “relevant education” is Orwellian code used by minority
political activists to describe their vision of a network of non-
academic interests that both feed from, and direct, the university.
The ideal network includes, but is not limited to, labor unions,
minority racial affiliation groups, and members of the public taking
direct action to aggregate political power. Stripping away Villar’s
self-justification about ‘relevant education,’ it becomes clear that
the fight was a proxy power grab by militant Chicano organizations.
Their goal: to turn an academic unit at a proud university into a mere
ideological factory to support and undergird a drive for exclusive
minority power accumulation.
Villar was ultimately successful in his fight for his vision for a
relevant education. On July 19, 1974, the Daily Bruin announced in a
brief notice that Professor Alvarez had resigned from his directorship
following internal private deliberations with higher administration
figures.
Villar’s goals, and the actions which made it possible, are
instructive in understanding the man who desires to be the next mayor
of Los Angeles. Not only did Villar himself harbor radical ambitions,
he proved willing to destroy both an innocent man and a fellow Chicano
by turning his staff, his students, and eventually, his employer,
against him.
Santa Barbara, Calif. -- While Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has
called for increases in the sales tax and cuts in services to reduce
the budget deficit of $11.2 billion, a population group has noted that
the shortfall is about the same as the costs of illegal immigration to
the state... [ Obama has selected mumbling MEChA-Boy Mexican
Reconquista Villaraigosa for a seat on his financial transition team]
Pray tell what does Hannity and Colmes have to do with this???? I
cannot stand either of them!!!
Miki
He probably is not your Mayor....but if he was, you would know he was
a joke.
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to discuss problems facing organized labor, because he's short.
Nobody on talk radio, let alone anyone on r.a.d., has but a superficial
understanding of the myriad of problems that must be addressed to resolve
the financial crisis for the long term. None of us understand the depth of
the issues. We con concentrate on ridiculing the individuals on the team,
but without acknowledging that there are valid reason(s) for them being part
of the team, we only show our ignorance.
Don't you think it's time we stopped listening to those who make their
fortunes fomenting hatred, and we start asking the meaningful questions, so
we can better understand why our new leader does as he does?
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Gene E. Bloch scribed:
| Quote: | On 11/09/2008, Ed Jay posted this:
Have you read where Bush threatened congressman that he would declare
Marshall Law if they didn't pass his bailout bill?
ITYM martial law.
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UB correct. Thanks for the correction.
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On 11/10/2008, Ed Jay posted this:
| Quote: | Gene E. Bloch scribed:
On 11/09/2008, Ed Jay posted this:
Have you read where Bush threatened congressman that he would declare
Marshall Law if they didn't pass his bailout bill?
ITYM martial law.
UB correct. Thanks for the correction.
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Actually, I was kind of hoping you meant what you first wrote, just for
kicks...It would've been nice to learn about a strange new thing :-)
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Ed Jay
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Bob Wheatley scribed:
| Quote: | "memiki" <memiki@aol.com> wrote in message
Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
memiki scribed:
On Nov 8, 7:47 am, Ed Jay <ed...@aes-intl.com> wrote:
I am incredibly impressed by Obama's economic team. I doubt that a more
qualified group of economic giants has been assembled before.
Please tell me you are not impressed by the inclusion of Mayor Antonio
R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles......how in the world did he get
there??!!!! Although he is listed as a "participant", he does not
"hold a candle" to any of them......Miki
LOL. When I saw that Villaraigosa was part of the group I blinked my eyes
and hit rewind to make sure I heard correctly. Maybe someone else can
explain why he's included, I sure don't understand. Is he a bright,
creative mind with gobs of economic knowledge? I don't know, but I don't think so.
Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles is a joke......I could
count the ways, but not today...
Wasn't the governor of Michigan (Jennifer Granholm ) on the "economic" team
as well? Her credentials aren't exactly "shiny" when you look at the economic well
being of Michigan.
I agree that Villaraigosa has more than his share of faults, and I agree |
that Michigan has more than its share of economic woes. That said...
Rush and Hannity et al find fault and ridicule each and every person on the
team. That's what their mission in life is all about. What they don't take
into account are the reasons behind Obama choosing the people he chose. In
that regard, they supports their mission by promulgating their ignorance and
stupidity to their followers.
The Obama team is obviously composed of people who not only are capable of
crafting solutions to identified problems, but who are also intimately
familiar with the problems that need to be identified.
For example, despite his faults, Villaraigosa, the mayor of Los Angeles
understands the economic problems uniquely related to a large, sprawling
metropolis comprising multi-level castes. Certainly, the governor of
Michigan understands better than anyone else the economic problems unique to
a state that hosts our struggling automotive industry and the issues
attendant to that industry's problems. Robert Reich isn't necessarily a
great problem solver, be he has an extraordinary understanding of the issues
facing the US's vast labor force. I could go on and on.
Obama is not stupid, he is a brilliant individual. He knows what he is
doing, or he wouldn't be were he is. Obama has assembled a cast of experts,
each with specific expertise that is needed to identify, understand and
solve the many problems facing the USA. To say, for example, that
Villaraigosa is unqualified to identify and discuss the problems facing a
major city because he demonstrated with illegal immigrants is silly. It's as
silly as saying that Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor, is unqualified
to discuss problems facing organized labor, because he's short.
Nobody on talk radio, let alone anyone on r.a.d., has but a superficial
understanding of the myriad of problems that must be addressed to resolve
the financial crisis for the long term. None of us understand the depth of
the issues. We con concentrate on ridiculing the individuals on the team,
but without acknowledging that there are valid reason(s) for them being part
of the team, we only show our ignorance.
Don't you think it's time we stopped listening to those who make their
fortunes fomenting hatred, and we start asking the meaningful questions, so
we can better understand why our new leader does as he does?
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Ed Jay (remove 'M' to reply by email)
Win the War Against Breast Cancer.
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Gene E. Bloch scribed:
| Quote: | On 11/10/2008, Ed Jay posted this:
Gene E. Bloch scribed:
On 11/09/2008, Ed Jay posted this:
Have you read where Bush threatened congressman that he would declare
Marshall Law if they didn't pass his bailout bill?
ITYM martial law.
UB correct. Thanks for the correction.
Actually, I was kind of hoping you meant what you first wrote, just for
kicks...It would've been nice to learn about a strange new thing
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That would be a TV series with some big guy named Law playing the town
marshal.. )
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