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Dick R.
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 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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Hi all,
Please excuse my rant but,
We need to protect the boreal forests in Canada, the breeding
habitat for many of North America's birds.
We need to stop the "drill, baby drill" idea because it only leads
to the destruction of our natural resources and cherished
public parks and lands.
We need to stop the needless slaughter of wolves in the west
and Alaska. Sarah Palin is in favor of a bounty on wolves, and
I don't know why - unless she wants more moose to hunt - and
that idea hasn't worked for many years.
We need to stop the slaughter of Yellowstone Bison who, in the
the winter, migrate south to find food and are slaughtered by
ranchers and government agents because of fear the bison will
spread a disease to cattle.
We need to recognize that Polar Bears are in serious trouble.
So many birds and animals are on the verge of extinction because
of destruction of habitat because "we need oil". I say B.S.,
take a bus, or light rail, or carpool, telecommute, 4 day
workweek, etc. and quit wasting gas sitting on the freeway
2 hours a day. We have to reduce our dependence on oil period!
If the animals and other creatures are in trouble, so are we.
Dick R, |
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bthache
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: Re: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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**Clapping**
Well said, Dick!!
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Tammie
In Ontario, north of Lake Superior
"Dick R." <dickr@visi.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi all,
Please excuse my rant but,
We need to protect the boreal forests in Canada, the breeding
habitat for many of North America's birds.
We need to stop the "drill, baby drill" idea because it only leads
to the destruction of our natural resources and cherished
public parks and lands.
We need to stop the needless slaughter of wolves in the west
and Alaska. Sarah Palin is in favor of a bounty on wolves, and
I don't know why - unless she wants more moose to hunt - and
that idea hasn't worked for many years.
We need to stop the slaughter of Yellowstone Bison who, in the
the winter, migrate south to find food and are slaughtered by
ranchers and government agents because of fear the bison will
spread a disease to cattle.
We need to recognize that Polar Bears are in serious trouble.
So many birds and animals are on the verge of extinction because
of destruction of habitat because "we need oil". I say B.S.,
take a bus, or light rail, or carpool, telecommute, 4 day
workweek, etc. and quit wasting gas sitting on the freeway
2 hours a day. We have to reduce our dependence on oil period!
If the animals and other creatures are in trouble, so are we.
Dick R,
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Rick
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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Dick R. wrote:
| Quote: | Hi all,
Please excuse my rant but,
We need to protect the boreal forests in Canada, the breeding
habitat for many of North America's birds.
We need to stop the "drill, baby drill" idea because it only leads
to the destruction of our natural resources and cherished
public parks and lands.
We need to stop the needless slaughter of wolves in the west
and Alaska. Sarah Palin is in favor of a bounty on wolves, and
I don't know why - unless she wants more moose to hunt - and
that idea hasn't worked for many years.
We need to stop the slaughter of Yellowstone Bison who, in the
the winter, migrate south to find food and are slaughtered by
ranchers and government agents because of fear the bison will
spread a disease to cattle.
We need to recognize that Polar Bears are in serious trouble.
So many birds and animals are on the verge of extinction because
of destruction of habitat because "we need oil". I say B.S.,
take a bus, or light rail, or carpool, telecommute, 4 day
workweek, etc. and quit wasting gas sitting on the freeway
2 hours a day. We have to reduce our dependence on oil period!
If the animals and other creatures are in trouble, so are we.
Dick R,
I agree whole heartily; However, with respect to bison, the herd needs |
to have some sort of control or it will eat itself out of food. I know
that in ND Bison are moved to other areas to control herd
size--Roosevelt natl. Park
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Rick
Fargo, ND
N 46°53'251"
W 096°48'279"
http://birds2.shutterfly.com/
Remember the USS Liberty
http://www.ussliberty.org/ |
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Robert Miles
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: Re: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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"Dick R." <dickr@visi.com> wrote in message
news:2OydnQeXE9f51ZvUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@posted.visi...
| Quote: | Hi all,
Please excuse my rant but,
We need to protect the boreal forests in Canada, the breeding
habitat for many of North America's birds.
We need to stop the "drill, baby drill" idea because it only leads
to the destruction of our natural resources and cherished
public parks and lands.
We need to stop the needless slaughter of wolves in the west
and Alaska. Sarah Palin is in favor of a bounty on wolves, and
I don't know why - unless she wants more moose to hunt - and
that idea hasn't worked for many years.
We need to stop the slaughter of Yellowstone Bison who, in the
the winter, migrate south to find food and are slaughtered by
ranchers and government agents because of fear the bison will
spread a disease to cattle.
We need to recognize that Polar Bears are in serious trouble.
So many birds and animals are on the verge of extinction because
of destruction of habitat because "we need oil". I say B.S.,
take a bus, or light rail, or carpool, telecommute, 4 day
workweek, etc. and quit wasting gas sitting on the freeway
2 hours a day. We have to reduce our dependence on oil period!
If the animals and other creatures are in trouble, so are we.
Dick R,
If I wasn't retired already, I'd be glad to telecommute. |
Unfortunately, I've never heard of the availability of any jobs
in my former line of work that allow telecommuting. Also,
most of the available jobs in that line of work are in rather
large metropolitan areas, with inadequate freeways to handle
morning and evening rushes well. The pay is enough to
keep attracting anyone qualified, though. |
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Lanny Chambers
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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In article <JouNk.80733$XB4.28499@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
"Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately, I've never heard of the availability of any jobs
in my former line of work that allow telecommuting. Also,
most of the available jobs in that line of work are in rather
large metropolitan areas, with inadequate freeways to handle
morning and evening rushes well.
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The main impediment to telecommuting is the typical boss's control
mania--he doesn't feel in charge if he can't watch you every minute. Few
white-collar jobs require every employee's presence every day. Even one
day per week working from home makes a significant difference in
traffic, pollution, and fuel use.
I quit my last job when my boss wanted me to come in more than once a
week (to attend a meeting in which I never spoke), and for eight years
I've done 100% of my work via telephone, fax, and Internet.
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Lanny Chambers
St. Louis, MO |
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Robert Miles
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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"Lanny Chambers" <lanny@hummingbirds.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <JouNk.80733$XB4.28499@bignews9.bellsouth.net>,
"Robert Miles" <robertmiles@bellsouthNOSPAM.net> wrote:
Unfortunately, I've never heard of the availability of any jobs
in my former line of work that allow telecommuting. Also,
most of the available jobs in that line of work are in rather
large metropolitan areas, with inadequate freeways to handle
morning and evening rushes well.
The main impediment to telecommuting is the typical boss's control
mania--he doesn't feel in charge if he can't watch you every minute. Few
white-collar jobs require every employee's presence every day. Even one
day per week working from home makes a significant difference in
traffic, pollution, and fuel use.
I quit my last job when my boss wanted me to come in more than once a
week (to attend a meeting in which I never spoke), and for eight years
I've done 100% of my work via telephone, fax, and Internet.
--
Lanny Chambers
St. Louis, MO
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My bosses were more concerned with security - they didn't want what
I was working on to get outside the building if they could avoid it. Also,
it required rather expensive computers and rather expensive software.
They were, however, willing to let me work overtime while they weren't
there, and didn't insist on watching me very often while they were there. |
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Dick R.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Re: A rant about wildlife and conservation - hey Lanny |
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Lanny Chambers wrote:
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| Quote: | The main impediment to telecommuting is the typical boss's control
mania--he doesn't feel in charge if he can't watch you every minute. Few
white-collar jobs require every employee's presence every day. Even one
day per week working from home makes a significant difference in
traffic, pollution, and fuel use.
Hey Lanny, |
I worked for Sperry/Univac/Unisys for many years, and did programming
and other things - whatever they wanted me to do.
I was offered a voluntary lay off 4 years ago, and I jumped at it.
I received a regular paycheck for 32 weeks (1 weeks pay for every year
of employment) plus my company retirement. For a couple of years
before that I had telecommuted 2-3 days a week and my boss was always
happy to see me when I did come to work.
My last day was on a Friday and I went around to shake hands with the
people I had worked with for many years, but many of them had been laid
off on Thursday. :-(
Dick R. |
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MajorOz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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On Oct 27, 6:01 pm, "Dick R." <di...@visi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi all,
Please excuse my rant but,
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Please excuse my response to your whining, elitist, yuppie bullshit.
| Quote: | We need to protect the boreal forests in Canada, the breeding
habitat for many of North America's birds.
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When possible -- when it does not, now, nor will. in the future, have
an adverse effect on the comfort and convenience of human beings.
| Quote: | We need to stop the "drill, baby drill" idea because it only leads
to the destruction of our natural resources and cherished
public parks and lands.
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Scaremongering scientifically illiterate crap. We can do so without
spilling one drop or displacing a minute portion of one percent of
indigenous wildlife.
| Quote: | We need to stop the needless slaughter of wolves in the west
and Alaska.
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Needless slaughter, I agree. Needful killing, I disagree. Easy to
say from urban streets. To many who live with them, wolves are no
different from rats or other pests.
| Quote: | Sarah Palin is in favor of a bounty on wolves...
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No, the people of Alaska are. As governor, it is morally responsible
to so what your people want you to do.
| Quote: | ...and I don't know why...
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You would, if you paid attention.
| Quote: | ...and that idea hasn't worked for many years.
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It has everywhere it has been tried.
| Quote: | We need to stop the slaughter of Yellowstone Bison who, in the
the winter, migrate south to find food and are slaughtered by
ranchers and government agents because of fear the bison will
spread a disease to cattle.
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They already have. Google it up.
All wildlife move. Many are legally hunted for a variety of socially
acceptable reasons. You may not like them, but that does not make it
wrong.
| Quote: | We need to recognize that Polar Bears are in serious trouble.
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According to what summation of available objective research?
| Quote: | So many birds and animals are on the verge of extinction because
of destruction of habitat because "we need oil". I say B.S.
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Me too. It is totally B.S. Name one and provide proof.
Don't have any here.
Don't have any here
Nobody else goes where I work.
I am a nurse, or a truck driver, or a teacher, or own a muffler shop
or KFC.
See above
| Quote: | and quit wasting gas sitting on the freeway
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Don't have any here
| Quote: | We have to reduce our dependence on oil period!
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Why?
| Quote: | If the animals and other creatures are in trouble, so are we.
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Sometimes. Give me some examples re: energy aquisition ONLY. Of
course, it depends on the animal. How 'bout skeeters, roaches, rats,
etc. Or are you concerned with only the ones you think are cute?
Get out of your blinkered, self-absorbed, self-righteous True Believer
rut and pay attention to the real world.
cheers
oz, a genuine environmentalist LONG before it was trendy and a degreed
BioEnvironmental Engineer |
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MajorOz
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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On Oct 29, 9:57 pm, "Dick R." <di...@visi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | MajorOz wrote:
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Please excuse my response to your whining, elitist, yuppie bullshit.
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Scaremongering scientifically illiterate crap. We can do so without
spilling one drop or displacing a minute portion of one percent of
indigenous wildlife.
snip
Get out of your blinkered, self-absorbed, self-righteous True Believer
rut and pay attention to the real world.
cheers
oz, a genuine environmentalist LONG before it was trendy and a degreed
BioEnvironmental Engineer
Wow, quite a response on your part, but I don't think we could ever have
a rational discussion on environment and wildlife issues.
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I accept that as capitulation.
"do not waste time using logic to dissuade someone from a position to
which they arrived through means other than logic"
Emotion is not an argument .......well, maybe on Oprah.
| Quote: | BTW: I'm not an elitist
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....quack, quack, quack....
stipulated
| Quote: | and I don't whine anymore.
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Thank you
cheers
oz |
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Dick R.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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MajorOz wrote:
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Please excuse my response to your whining, elitist, yuppie bullshit.
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Scaremongering scientifically illiterate crap. We can do so without
spilling one drop or displacing a minute portion of one percent of
indigenous wildlife.
snip
Get out of your blinkered, self-absorbed, self-righteous True Believer
rut and pay attention to the real world.
cheers
oz, a genuine environmentalist LONG before it was trendy and a degreed
BioEnvironmental Engineer
Wow, quite a response on your part, but I don't think we could ever have |
a rational discussion on environment and wildlife issues.
BTW: I'm not an elitist or a yuppie, and I don't whine anymore.
Dick R. |
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jadel
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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In a couple weeks I'll be out deer-hunting. Venison....mmmm... tasty.
J. Del Col |
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Cheryl Isaak
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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On 10/30/08 8:32 AM, in article
a96fd3f7-afa9-4c4b-a332-170dbc34f5ba@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, "jadel"
<delcolja@ab.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | In a couple weeks I'll be out deer-hunting. Venison....mmmm... tasty.
J. Del Col
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Save me some!
Cheryl |
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Dick R.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
| Quote: | On 10/30/08 8:32 AM, in article
a96fd3f7-afa9-4c4b-a332-170dbc34f5ba@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, "jadel"
delcolja@ab.edu> wrote:
In a couple weeks I'll be out deer-hunting. Venison....mmmm... tasty.
J. Del Col
Save me some!
Cheryl
Be careful out there - you might be mistaken by some hunters for |
one of those elusive blaze orange tailed deer. :-)
Dick R. |
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Rick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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jadel wrote:
| Quote: | In a couple weeks I'll be out deer-hunting. Venison....mmmm... tasty.
J. Del Col
And I'll be looking after my Grand kids who do not what to hunt--(with a |
gun). She is still waiting for a bow/arrow setup. The most fun is in
the stalk. :)
--
Rick
Fargo, ND
N 46°53'251"
W 096°48'279"
http://birds2.shutterfly.com/
Remember the USS Liberty
http://www.ussliberty.org/ |
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MajorOz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: OT: A rant about wildlife and conservation |
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On Oct 31, 9:38 am, Rick <PaWall...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | jadel wrote:
In a couple weeks I'll be out deer-hunting. Venison....mmmm... tasty..
J. Del Col
And I'll be looking after my Grand kids who do not what to hunt--(with a
gun). She is still waiting for a bow/arrow setup. The most fun is in
the stalk. 
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I bowhunt here in the Ozarks, but what do you hide behind in ND? :)
cheers
oz, who takes the g-kids with him in the woods whenever he can |
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