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 Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: WTB starboard full rig |
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would like to buy used starboard-type all wind (e.g. formula?) in good
condition with rough range 6.0 to 8.0 sails
based in SW CT, but will travel for good deal.... thanks, JESL |
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John Gullotti
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Re: WTB starboard full rig |
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I'm in SE CT and have a one year old Carve 122. I thought I needed
something a little smaller than my Exocet Speed Slider 77. But I was wrong.
I've only sailed it twice. It's supposedly good for up to 9.0. It's not a
formula, but if you're not a heavyweight you might have a lot of fun with it
in 6.5 - 7.5 conditions.
I was looking for a smoother ride in bay chop. When it's getting to be 6.0,
my SS is tough to handle in the tide and wind driven chop of Little
Narragansett Bay which is where I sail most of the time. I'm a heavyweight
so I usually rig big but there isn't that much different between my old
standby and this new board. I should have test driven it, but I was in a
buying frenzy and I have a couple of friends with the same board who like it
a lot. The difference is, I weigh 225 and they weigh 160.
If you're interested, drop me a line. I'll sell it with the fin and
footstraps with which I got it. I don't remember what I paid for it, but
you can have it for something a little less than that.
If you pick a good day, you can even demo it over here on the other side of
the state.
johngullotti at comcast.net
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| Quote: | would like to buy used starboard-type all wind (e.g. formula?) in good
condition with rough range 6.0 to 8.0 sails
based in SW CT, but will travel for good deal.... thanks, JESL
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: WTB starboard full rig |
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On 15 Paĵ, 03:11, "John Gullotti" <johnREMOVETHISgullo...@comcast.net>
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| Quote: | I'm in SE CT and have a one year old Carve 122. I thought I needed
something a little smaller than my Exocet Speed Slider 77. But I was wrong.
I've only sailed it twice. It's supposedly good for up to 9.0. It's not a
formula, but if you're not a heavyweight you might have a lot of fun with it
in 6.5 - 7.5 conditions.
I was looking for a smoother ride in bay chop. When it's getting to be 6..0,
my SS is tough to handle in the tide and wind driven chop of Little
Narragansett Bay which is where I sail most of the time. I'm a heavyweight
so I usually rig big but there isn't that much different between my old
standby and this new board. I should have test driven it, but I was in a
buying frenzy and I have a couple of friends with the same board who like it
a lot. The difference is, I weigh 225 and they weigh 160.
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Hi, a question on the side:
I bought Starboard Carve 111 for the same reasons (better handling in
chop and higher winds than my free-formula F-type 148/96cm wide). I
weight 185.
Can you give more details why 122 doesn't suit you?
My problem is technique: 111 feels so small to me (and it's only 56cm
wide) I feel I should have gotten 122 instead.
Sailing it straight line feels ok, but tacks and jibes are almost
never successful. I have 3-cam freerace sails, and waterstarting them
is not easy, so I always uphaul which is a major pain as well. :-(
-marek |
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John Gullotti
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: WTB starboard full rig |
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<mzawadzk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2cd7662b-33d7-485c-806d-37b705f021f6@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On 15 Paĵ, 03:11, "John Gullotti" <johnREMOVETHISgullo...@comcast.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | I'm in SE CT and have a one year old Carve 122. I thought I needed
something a little smaller than my Exocet Speed Slider 77. But I was
wrong.
I've only sailed it twice. It's supposedly good for up to 9.0. It's not
a
formula, but if you're not a heavyweight you might have a lot of fun with
it
in 6.5 - 7.5 conditions.
I was looking for a smoother ride in bay chop. When it's getting to be
6.0,
my SS is tough to handle in the tide and wind driven chop of Little
Narragansett Bay which is where I sail most of the time. I'm a
heavyweight
so I usually rig big but there isn't that much different between my old
standby and this new board. I should have test driven it, but I was in a
buying frenzy and I have a couple of friends with the same board who like
it
a lot. The difference is, I weigh 225 and they weigh 160.
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Hi, a question on the side:
I bought Starboard Carve 111 for the same reasons (better handling in
chop and higher winds than my free-formula F-type 148/96cm wide). I
weight 185.
Can you give more details why 122 doesn't suit you?
My problem is technique: 111 feels so small to me (and it's only 56cm
wide) I feel I should have gotten 122 instead.
Sailing it straight line feels ok, but tacks and jibes are almost
never successful. I have 3-cam freerace sails, and waterstarting them
is not easy, so I always uphaul which is a major pain as well. :-(
Hi
Mostly it's because there wasn't that much of a difference between the
Exocet and the Carve. I was hoping for a smoother ride in the bumps, but
one day while I was sailing with friends, way powered up and feeling out of
control in the bumps with the larger Exocet, I switched to the Carve and all
that happened was that I went slower. The bumps were still a nuisance. And
I hated being slow. I mean, I'm slow enough as it is. The only way to keep
up with my lighter friends is to hank on more sail, which I do. But it was
dramatically slower on the Carve. I suppose I could work a little harder to
see if the Carve might respond better but I don't think it's happening.
I've got a 112 liter Bic Blast that's ok. It's 62 cm wide. I don't sail it
that much because it's just not been windy enough around here. Global
warming, I suppose, but I'm getting fewer and fewer opportunities to sail
recently compared to years past when all I had was a handmade 120 liter copy
of a Fanatic Shark. Now that was a fun board to ride all the way down to
5.0. Maybe I'll dig it out and do another comparison.
I too have cambered sails. Ezzy Infinities. I do all the tricks to set up
for waterstarts. If I have to, I'll swim out to the tip of the sail and
start clearing it from the top. But I rarely uphaul start. Only when
there's absolutely insufficient wind to hold the sail up do I give up and
climb on the board. I suppose it helps that I'm short, my booms are low and
I have the mast set all the way forward so for the most part, my booms rest
on the end of the board. Short, fat, good for something, I guess.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: WTB starboard full rig |
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On 17 Paĵ, 03:32, "John Gullotti" <johnREMOVETHISgullo...@comcast.net>
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| Quote: | Mostly it's because there wasn't that much of a difference between the
Exocet and the Carve. I was hoping for a smoother ride in the bumps, but
one day while I was sailing with friends, way powered up and feeling out of
control in the bumps with the larger Exocet, I switched to the Carve and all
that happened was that I went slower. The bumps were still a nuisance. And
I hated being slow. I mean, I'm slow enough as it is. The only way to keep
up with my lighter friends is to hank on more sail, which I do. But it was
dramatically slower on the Carve. I suppose I could work a little harder to
see if the Carve might respond better but I don't think it's happening.
[...]
I suppose it helps that I'm short, my booms are low and
I have the mast set all the way forward so for the most part, my booms rest
on the end of the board. Short, fat, good for something, I guess.
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Thanks for the information.
Now, you having the mast foot all the way forward is in my opinion a
source of problems with chop and also makes you slow. It may prevent
your board from getting on plane quicker and may slow you down when on
plane - you should be using the end, flat part of your board's bottom
and instead you are pushing the rocker line under the water.
Try moving the mast foot all the way backward and see if the board is
not too nervous (if so, move it forward 1-2 cm and try again). You
should experience faster and smoother ride and the board should be
easier to get on plane.
-marek |
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John Gullotti
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: Re: WTB starboard full rig |
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<mzawadzk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 17 Paĵ, 03:32, "John Gullotti" <johnREMOVETHISgullo...@comcast.net>
wrote:
[...]
| Quote: | Mostly it's because there wasn't that much of a difference between the
Exocet and the Carve. I was hoping for a smoother ride in the bumps, but
one day while I was sailing with friends, way powered up and feeling out
of
control in the bumps with the larger Exocet, I switched to the Carve and
all
that happened was that I went slower. The bumps were still a nuisance.
And
I hated being slow. I mean, I'm slow enough as it is. The only way to
keep
up with my lighter friends is to hank on more sail, which I do. But it
was
dramatically slower on the Carve. I suppose I could work a little harder
to
see if the Carve might respond better but I don't think it's happening.
[...]
I suppose it helps that I'm short, my booms are low and
I have the mast set all the way forward so for the most part, my booms
rest
on the end of the board. Short, fat, good for something, I guess.
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Thanks for the information.
Now, you having the mast foot all the way forward is in my opinion a
source of problems with chop and also makes you slow. It may prevent
your board from getting on plane quicker and may slow you down when on
plane - you should be using the end, flat part of your board's bottom
and instead you are pushing the rocker line under the water.
Try moving the mast foot all the way backward and see if the board is
not too nervous (if so, move it forward 1-2 cm and try again). You
should experience faster and smoother ride and the board should be
easier to get on plane.
Hi Marek
Thanks for the suggestions. I had been rigging the mast all the way forward
to compensate for my weight. On other boards, people had noticed that the
front of my board was way up in the air while I was trying to get going,
slogging along while I was often underpowered. I thought rigging the sail
forward would help me get on a plane by getting the mfp to push the nose
down. Plus it was my understanding that conventional wisdom said rigging
the mast forward helped with getting upwind. I have a buddy (smaller than
me of course) who just motors upwind. I spend most of my time trying to
catch him. With my sail rigged forward, I'm usually among the upwind
performers. Plus, on the Exocet, I just pop right up on a plane. I'll try
rigging it further back, but I'll be surprised if I either get on a plane
faster, or be able to get upwind better. You're probably right about the
handling through bumps, though.
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John I
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: Re: WTB starboard full rig |
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On Oct 23, 6:31 pm, "John Gullotti"
<johnREMOVETHISgullo...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | mzawa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a18805a5-a029-4948-8710-3a9e65aa374f@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On 17 Paĵ, 03:32, "John Gullotti" <johnREMOVETHISgullo...@comcast.net
wrote:
[...]
Mostly it's because there wasn't that much of a difference between the
Exocet and the Carve. I was hoping for a smoother ride in the bumps, but
one day while I was sailing with friends, way powered up and feeling out
of
control in the bumps with the larger Exocet, I switched to the Carve and
all
that happened was that I went slower. The bumps were still a nuisance.
And
I hated being slow. I mean, I'm slow enough as it is. The only way to
keep
up with my lighter friends is to hank on more sail, which I do. But it
was
dramatically slower on the Carve. I suppose I could work a little harder
to
see if the Carve might respond better but I don't think it's happening.
[...]
I suppose it helps that I'm short, my booms are low and
I have the mast set all the way forward so for the most part, my booms
rest
on the end of the board. Short, fat, good for something, I guess.
Thanks for the information.
Now, you having the mast foot all the way forward is in my opinion a
source of problems with chop and also makes you slow. It may prevent
your board from getting on plane quicker and may slow you down when on
plane - you should be using the end, flat part of your board's bottom
and instead you are pushing the rocker line under the water.
Try moving the mast foot all the way backward and see if the board is
not too nervous (if so, move it forward 1-2 cm and try again). You
should experience faster and smoother ride and the board should be
easier to get on plane.
Hi Marek
Thanks for the suggestions. I had been rigging the mast all the way forward
to compensate for my weight. On other boards, people had noticed that the
front of my board was way up in the air while I was trying to get going,
slogging along while I was often underpowered. I thought rigging the sail
forward would help me get on a plane by getting the mfp to push the nose
down. Plus it was my understanding that conventional wisdom said rigging
the mast forward helped with getting upwind. I have a buddy (smaller than
me of course) who just motors upwind. I spend most of my time trying to
catch him. With my sail rigged forward, I'm usually among the upwind
performers. Plus, on the Exocet, I just pop right up on a plane. I'll try
rigging it further back, but I'll be surprised if I either get on a plane
faster, or be able to get upwind better. You're probably right about the
handling through bumps, though.
J
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If you feel like the old SS 77 feels flighty and rough in blocky chop,
try a slightly smaller fin. Base back will make you wheelie if you go
too far back. An undesirable thing. I have fond memories of sailing
that board. The older Carves have so much rocker that they gybe great
but plane off and cruise poorly. A counter intuitive tech for chop,
sheet home more, and try to skim across the tops of chops... |
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