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 Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Victory |
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Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Congratulations to everyone who has supported his campaign.
It took eight years of bad governance to convince America that
politics matter. The 63 million votes that Obama got was by far the
most any candidate ever received.
We are witnessing a sea change for the better. Now, it becomes
sensible to work toward a future that does not end in 2012.
I hope many people make the same decision and do what it takes to make
the world a place worth living in, for those currently living and
those yet to live.
Ilya Shambat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: Re: Victory |
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On Nov 5, 6:35 pm, ibshambat2...@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Congratulations to everyone who has supported his campaign.
It took eight years of bad governance to convince America that
politics matter. The 63 million votes that Obama got was by far the
most any candidate ever received.
We are witnessing a sea change for the better. Now, it becomes
sensible to work toward a future that does not end in 2012.
I hope many people make the same decision and do what it takes to make
the world a place worth living in, for those currently living and
those yet to live.
Ilya Shambathttp://bettermillenium.blogspot.com
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In your nearly two-year presidential campaign, the words "hope and
change," "change and hope" have been your trademark declarations. Yet
there is an asymmetry between those objectives and your political
character that succumbs to contrary centers of power that want not
"hope and change" but the continuation of the power-entrenched status
quo.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Victory |
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On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 5, 6:35 pm, ibshambat2...@hotmail.com wrote:
Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Congratulations to everyone who has supported his campaign.
It took eight years of bad governance to convince America that
politics matter. The 63 million votes that Obama got was by far the
most any candidate ever received.
We are witnessing a sea change for the better. Now, it becomes
sensible to work toward a future that does not end in 2012.
I hope many people make the same decision and do what it takes to make
the world a place worth living in, for those currently living and
those yet to live.
Ilya Shambathttp://bettermillenium.blogspot.com
In your nearly two-year presidential campaign, the words "hope and
change," "change and hope" have been your trademark declarations. Yet
there is an asymmetry between those objectives and your political
character that succumbs to contrary centers of power that want not
"hope and change" but the continuation of the power-entrenched status
quo.
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Becoming entrenched is the nature of most forms of power. That is true
everywhere, and on every side.
One good thing that happens when people of goodwill are successful is
that what they know and what they fight for becomes part of the status
quo, and with ongoing attention becomes part of what is entrenched
over the long term.
I would much rather live in a world where Obama and what he is about
is a meaningful and significant part of the status quo and of the long-
term culture, than of what attempted to run America over the last
eight years.
And then, with real success and ongoing attention, it will be possible
to defend his contributions for generations to come. |
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Immortalist
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Victory |
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bettermillen...@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 6:35 pm, ibshambat2...@hotmail.com wrote:
Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Congratulations to everyone who has supported his campaign.
It took eight years of bad governance to convince America that
politics matter. The 63 million votes that Obama got was by far the
most any candidate ever received.
We are witnessing a sea change for the better. Now, it becomes
sensible to work toward a future that does not end in 2012.
I hope many people make the same decision and do what it takes to make
the world a place worth living in, for those currently living and
those yet to live.
Ilya Shambathttp://bettermillenium.blogspot.com
In your nearly two-year presidential campaign, the words "hope and
change," "change and hope" have been your trademark declarations. Yet
there is an asymmetry between those objectives and your political
character that succumbs to contrary centers of power that want not
"hope and change" but the continuation of the power-entrenched status
quo.
Becoming entrenched is the nature of most forms of power. That is true
everywhere, and on every side.
One good thing that happens when people of goodwill are successful is
that what they know and what they fight for becomes part of the status
quo, and with ongoing attention becomes part of what is entrenched
over the long term.
I would much rather live in a world where Obama and what he is about
is a meaningful and significant part of the status quo and of the long-
term culture, than of what attempted to run America over the last
eight years.
And then, with real success and ongoing attention, it will be possible
to defend his contributions for generations to come.
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I basically agree with you there, but am just taking up a contrsry
position for the sake of debate. But you know in acouple of years what
you said might noy make much sense once Obama is entranched and Bush
has faded from memory as something to compare things with.
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MalKantent
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Victory |
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:35:58 -0800 (PST), ibshambat2004@hotmail.com
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Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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You're hoping Obama will legalize library masturbation.
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" If I had remembered that the name 'Galt' appears
in one of her books, I would have chosen a different
name for my character."
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Victory |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Victory |
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It made me weep that such a successor to the pathway set in motion by
Martin Luther King finally made the highest office.
But the great thing about Obama is that he is not black, neither is he
white. King stated that a man should not be judged by the colour of
his skin but by his character. He is amoungst a minority of Americans
that have a wider world knowledge and a (fucking) passport, he has
roots in Kenya and Indonesia, family both black and white.
Obama has a brain, unlike the last 2 Repugs. He has clear
understanding of his goals and enough intellect to realise the massive
hill he has to climb.
I wonder, though, if this experiment will fail. The task before him is
tougher than for any other president, except FDR, and Lincoln.
I worry for his safety. American presidents have a habit of being
shot. I predicted this fate for Bhuto, I hope I am wrong about Obama.
On Nov 6, 2:35 am, ibshambat2...@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Congratulations to everyone who has supported his campaign.
It took eight years of bad governance to convince America that
politics matter. The 63 million votes that Obama got was by far the
most any candidate ever received.
We are witnessing a sea change for the better. Now, it becomes
sensible to work toward a future that does not end in 2012.
I hope many people make the same decision and do what it takes to make
the world a place worth living in, for those currently living and
those yet to live.
Ilya Shambathttp://bettermillenium.blogspot.com |
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Lits O'Hate
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: Victory |
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On Nov 5, 10:05 pm, MalKantent <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:35:58 -0800 (PST), ibshambat2...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Obama's victory has been the greatest thing that happened in the world
since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
You're hoping Obama will legalize library masturbation.
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Is that what this newspaper article is about?
http://tinyurl.com/shambatwanks
(Scroll down to "masturbating".)
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"The effect of 1990s sexual relations hysteria has been
empowerment of cunts." -- Ilya Shambat |
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ZerkonXXXX
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Victory |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:59:59 -0800, bettermillenium wrote:
| Quote: | I would much rather live in a world where Obama and what he is about is
a meaningful and significant part of the status quo and of the long-
term culture, than of what attempted to run America over the last eight
years.
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What was 'attempted' did and does, in fact, rule. Laws have been put into
place. The issue is will it continue? If the past, Obama's record,
indicates the future the answer is pretty much 'yes' but a 'yes' without
full certainty.
What Obama is about is what many *want* Obama to be about not necessarily
what Obama and his team are about.
Keep things clear least the great event turns to equally great
disappointment. After this justified swoon, look at the function not it's
form.
| Quote: | it will be possible to defend his contributions ...
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'His' contributions are least important. It is Your contribution that
will need defending. Give yourself credit. Obama's election is the result
of millions of people. There is where the real historical credit is due. |
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Seanis Amazinopoulos
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Victory |
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"ZerkonXXXX" <Z@erkonx.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.11.06.15.14.28@erkonx.net...
| Quote: | On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:59:59 -0800, bettermillenium wrote:
I would much rather live in a world where Obama and what he is about is
a meaningful and significant part of the status quo and of the long-
term culture, than of what attempted to run America over the last eight
years.
What was 'attempted' did and does, in fact, rule. Laws have been put into
place. The issue is will it continue? If the past, Obama's record,
indicates the future the answer is pretty much 'yes' but a 'yes' without
full certainty.
What Obama is about is what many *want* Obama to be about not necessarily
what Obama and his team are about.
Keep things clear least the great event turns to equally great
disappointment. After this justified swoon, look at the function not it's
form.
it will be possible to defend his contributions ...
'His' contributions are least important. It is Your contribution that
will need defending. Give yourself credit. Obama's election is the result
of millions of people. There is where the real historical credit is due.
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Sure, they ahve done their job. Obama can only be a channel for change
though, he is still just a man even as President.
Obama's greatest challenge will be managing the Democrat politicians
themselves, and their own need for attention and credit for things done. In
2 years many are up for re-election yet again in this crazy cycle of endless
elections that tend to undermine the more sanguine intelligent yet slow
longterm adjustments. Not much change will be evident in 2 years, especially
when the economy is tracking MUCH worse then than it is now. And polticians
being politicians will act like self-interested politicians and say anything
or do anything in the moment, irrespective of the longterm implications to
the entire nation, or Obama's position as an effective angent of postive
change for the longterm interest of the Nation.
Just like they fucked Clinton over in his first two years to such a degree
they lost their majority untill 2 years ago. But I do not expect to that
Obama will be as naive as Clinton was in the beginning. And will probably
manage the nutters quite well. I;d even expect that people like McCain may
become his greatest supporter in the Senate. Hilary is up for election in
2010, as one example, and she will be more interested in herself than any
credit going to Obama in the next 4 years. Politicians, are politicians, and
the people as shown by history have very short memories and think that just
giving someone their vote the world will change overnight and they'll live
happily ever after.
One last point. I think Obama is pretty good. Many things he knows needs to
be changed he hasn't spelled out as yet in specific details but talked
around points. He knew that to do so would open him up to far too many
attacks in the Primaries and the Election process. So yes, what he
"promised" or rather what people THINK he was promising is not necessarily
what he has in mind in the longterm.
I am not saying that that is bad, or decietful in any way, just that people
have an inability to comprehend the nuances of a man with wisdom and
intelligence and good-will like he has in abundance. Much will depend on the
level of genuine and trustworthy support he can garner and maintain from the
Democratic leadership in Congress, their ability to maintain discipline, and
reliability of the media to paint a tru picture of events and the sitaution
.... which of course everyone should know by now how unreliable they are,
even the so called *liberal media* like the NYT who were all gung ho for the
Iraq war and never lifted a finger to look at that objectively or do any
investigative Journalism as they should have.
So I;m sure there's going to be lots of knives out sooner than later ...
it;s the nature of the beast, unfortunately. Still, I think he'll get there,
because he is not an idiot nor an abject failure as a Leader like GW Bush
has been. |
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ZerkonXXXX
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Victory |
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:33:36 -0800, chazwin wrote:
| Quote: | I hope I am wrong about Obama.
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Amen to this. I share your worry for exactly the same reasons. |
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